I certainly won't shed any tears if they really are lost, It's time for a change at the top. If just Jordan and Williams could manage to claw themself up to the top. They are the most likely to challange Ferrari in the near future. BAR sadly has a way to f-ck up, Jacques is wasting his talent, he should give up his ambition of building a team from scratch, it's not working out.The best thing for Jacques is to go Jordan, very likely too I think. The weakest link at Jordan is it's driver line-up. Sorry if I'm being OT.