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Originally Posted by ApexTurtle
The new LMP2 rules were made to make LMP2 cheaper and to make sure constructors went to LMP1. It has accomplished both goals. Plus it saved ELMS which now has a very healthy grid. It's not the fault of the rules that Ginetta then failed to actually get that LMP1 car on the grid  |
Where's the evidence for running LMP2 now than in 2016 being much cheaper. Indeed, the teams in AsLMS running the old cars still don't seem to be dying of poverty
Oreca and Dallara went to LMP1 yes but not for the first year even, only after Porsche pulled out. Oreca is only there because Rebellion wanted to make a comeback anyway after privateer competition had returned to the class. And in any case the whole point shall redundant with the forthcoming LMP2 spec regs when the old nonhybrid P1s will be killed off and replaced by OEM bop wagons
It is partly fault of the rules that Ginetta failed get there, as the draft regulations of 2017 said you can enter nonhybrid LMP1 with factory team (say Ginetta factory team), but then they were changed again for 2018. So Ginetta might've run the cars themselves, but now they aren't allowed to but must find a customer
As for "saving" ELMS grid, that makes no sense. Here's a list of _entered participants_ for opening round each year this decade:
2019
11x Oreca
05x Onroak
02x Dallara
= 18x
2018
10x Oreca
05x Onroak
04x Dallara
=19x
2017
04x Oreca
05x Onroak
03x Dallara
= 12x
2016
05x Oreca
07x Onroak
01x Zytek
02x BR
= 15x
2015
07x Oreca
03x Onroak
02x Zytek
02x BR
= 14x
2014
06x Oreca
04x Onroak
04x Zytek
= 14x
2013
05x Oreca
01x Onroak
02x Zytek
01x Lola
01x HPD
= 10x
2012
06x Oreca
02x Onroak
02x Zytek
01x Lola
01x Norma
= 12x
2011 (under LMP1)
04x Oreca
01x Zytek
01x Norma
01x Lola
01x MG
02x HPD
= 10x
2010 (under LMP1)
01x Oreca
02x Zytek
02x Pescarolo
04x Lola
01x MG
01x HPD
01x Radical
= 12x
So numbers wise it's been pretty much where it is all way long, even in the horrible 2012 season.
Meanwhile here's a list of a different P2s circulating around the globe:
2017 On-track raced
Oak 'Ligier' JSP217 & Oak 'Ligier' JS P2
Oreca 07 & Oreca 05 (+ fake Alpine, fake Aurus)
Dallara P217
2018 On-track raced
Oak 'Ligier' JSP217 & Oak 'Ligier' JS P2
Oreca 07 & Oreca 05 (+ fake Alpine)
Dallara P217
Riley MK30
2017 On-track raced
Oak 'Ligier' JSP217 & Oak 'Ligier' JS P2
Oreca 07 & Oreca 05 (+ fake Alpine)
Dallara P217
Riley MK30
2016 On-track raced
Oak 'Ligier' JS P2 & Oak Pescarolo 01 'Morgan' (+EVO)
Zytek 'Gibson' Z11SN
Oreca 05 & Oreca 03R (+ fake Alpine)
SMP BR01
Lola B12/80 'Mazda
2015 On-track raced
Oak 'Ligier' JS P2 & Oak Pescarolo 01 'Morgan' (+EVO)
Zytek 'Gibson' Z11SN
HPD ARX-03 & HPD ARX-04b
Oreca 05 & Oreca 03R (+ fake Alpine)
SMP BR01
Dome S103
Lola B12/80 'Mazda'
(Pilbeam MP100 LMP2)
2014 On-track raced
Oak 'Ligier' JS P2 & Oak Pescarolo 01 'Morgan'
Zytek Z11SN
HPD ARX-03
Oreca 03R (+ fake Alpine)
Lola B12/80 'Mazda'
(Pilbeam MP100 LMP2)
(Radical SR9)
2013 On-Track raced
Oak Pescarolo 01 'Morgan'
Zytek Z11SN
HPD ARX-03
Oreca 03 (+ fake Alpine)
Lola B11/40 & Lola B12/80
Kodewa 'Lotus' T128
(Radical SR9)
2012 On-Track raced
Oak Pescarolo 01 'Morgan'
Zytek Z11SN
HPD ARX-03
Oreca 03
Lola B11/80 & Lola B12/80 (&87)
Norma M200P
Radical SR10
2011 On-Track raced
Oak Pescarolo 01
Zytek Z11SN
HPD ARX-01d & HPD ARX-01g
Oreca 03
Lola B08/80 & Lola B11/40 & Lola B12/80 & MG-Lola EX265
Norma M200P
(Radical SR9)
2010 On-Track raced
Pescarolo 01
Porsche RS Spyder EVO
Zytek 'Ginetta' GZ09S (&2)
HPD ARX-01c
Lola B07/70 & Lola B08/80 (&47) & Lola B09/80 (&86) & MG-Lola EX265
Courage Oreca LC75
Norma M200P
WR LMP2008
Radical SR9