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Old 22 May 2024, 23:07 (Ref:4210043)   #2276
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I feel like I'm shooting Bambi here but there hasn't been a lot apart from 'past reputation' that Danny Ricc has done to justify a spot in F1 over someone more deserving or promising.

Add K-Mag to the list too I suppose, but he has played a decent team game and nabbed that pole in Brazil
Sadly you are correct.
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Sainz To Williams?

Seriously? Are Williams better and/or have better future prospects than Audi-Sauber?

Presumably the Spanish sponsor mafia may join the team, which could be a good thing.
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Seriously? Are Williams better and/or have better future prospects than Audi-Sauber?

Presumably the Spanish sponsor mafia may join the team, which could be a good thing.
Mercedes power unit? Plenty of scuttlebutt around that it'll be good. Maybe Adrian Newey is keen to go back to Williams?

James Vowles' avowed plans to sacrifice this & next year to be competitive in 2026 might appeal if the full back-story is known - struggle to see them sitting at the back forever, but then this IS F1 and everyone is pushing on.

Spanish mafia - Repsol Williams could look pretty good.
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Spanish mafia - Repsol Williams could look pretty good.
Santander Bank, Telefonica, Repsol, Estrella Galicia, Mapfre… plenty of space to sell..
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Old 24 May 2024, 15:13 (Ref:4210196)   #2280
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Just posting this Williams documentary from 1993, quite interesting imo.

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Santander Bank, Telefonica, Repsol, Estrella Galicia, Mapfre… plenty of space to sell..
Repsol Out of Honda MotoGP

Planets aligning?
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Planets aligning?
Maybe for Sainz?
Or a Spanish Armada to Aston Martin....
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Maybe for Sainz?
Or a Spanish Armada to Aston Martin....
Aston Martin is blessed by that seemingly unlimited Aramco backing, who supply all kinds of energy products.. and brands the car with its Valvoline brand these days…
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Aston Martin is blessed by that seemingly unlimited Aramco backing, who supply all kinds of energy products.. and brands the car with its Valvoline brand these days…

Yes, I'm aware of that but that doesn't mean if there's a place for Aramco and Valvoline it doesn't mean there isn't a place for Repsol.

Repsol had indicated they are interested in fuel development including synthetic fuels so there would be nothing unusual about them being involved in F1 in the future....
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Yes, I'm aware of that but that doesn't mean if there's a place for Aramco and Valvoline it doesn't mean there isn't a place for Repsol.

Repsol had indicated they are interested in fuel development including synthetic fuels so there would be nothing unusual about them being involved in F1 in the future....
The supply of Mercedes Benz HPE engines to any customer team requires the supply and usage exclusively of Petronas oils, lubricants and fuels as delivered by Mercedes.

Anything else (like McLaren's Gulf) seems to be window dressing branding
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The supply of Mercedes Benz HPE engines to any customer team requires the supply and usage exclusively of Petronas oils, lubricants and fuels as delivered by Mercedes.

Anything else (like McLaren's Gulf) seems to be window dressing branding

Gulf also has a partnership with Williams, supporting their driver academy plus their e-sports.
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Gulf also has a partnership with Williams, supporting their driver academy plus their e-sports.

Be nice to see a Gulf livery on a Williams. Two iconic brands
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Be nice to see a Gulf livery on a Williams. Two iconic brands
Gulf don't have that kind of money, it's a "shell" brand (pardon the pun) that merely sells rebranded products AFAIK. They have no oil industry infrastructure anymore beyond any other small-time oil blenders AFAIK.

With Valvoline being acquired by parent company Aramco, that has more chance of becoming a major vertically integrated competitor to Shell or Mobil or Petronas or Total (no longer Valvoline products being formulated by various blenders in various markets using base products and additives sourced from Shell or ExxonMobil, but instead a big player from refinery to shelf?).

It seems like Armaco are pushing the Valvoline branding quite hard on the Aston Martin, though obviously the car will NOT race in Valvoline colours instead of Aston Racing Green!
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I’d forgotten about that Williams livery. I seem to remember McLaren had a similar liveryat Monaco one year though?
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It would seem the brands aren't so iconic then?
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To answer the question of the thread title. Does Williams have a spare tub? It sounds like they brought a spare with them to Miami.

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It would seem the brands aren't so iconic then?
Despite the colours, the Gulf logos are tiny as Gulf just don't have that kind of money any more.
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No, it's just I remembered the McLaren one more
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But in 2026 they will be exclusively with Honda.....
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