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Old 11 Jun 2004, 12:15 (Ref:1000711)   #1
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2005 to provide better entertainment?

I know we're not quite 1/2 way through this year but i can't help to think what next year should bring from a racing standpoint. I also think this year is going to be a repeat of 2002 unfortunatley. But lets face it, the racing this year has been quite lackluster (w/ exception of Monaco). The inter-team duals aren't even that good w/ the exception of Toyota, Renault and with some exception BAR. I mean

Ferrari - Micheal is blowing Rubens away
BAR - Taku keeps blowing engines so Jenson is getting more points and podiums
Renault - Alonso has slipped up a little and being taken by Trulli
Williams - Ralf sucks
Sauber - Massa started strong but has been wasted by fisi the last few races. sauber has been upping their game.
McLaren - Just plain bad.....15 laps of racing doesn't count.
Jaguar - Webber is blowing away Klein
Toyota - Kinda even there but who cares it's toyota
Jordan - Heidfield blowing the doors off pantano
Minardi - who cares?

I just think next year has the opportuinity provide some great entertainment across the board.

We should have 5-6 (Ferrari, Williams, McLaren, Renault, BAR and possibly Sauber) teams consistently battling for points. The drivers on the team should be fairly equal in the top teams to provide more interteam racing.

Kimi vs JPM will be great
Hopefully Webber will team up with someone at williams and whoever that may be will be great to see. Whether it's JV, Fisi or Hiedfield.
Taku vs Button again
Trulli (if he's there) vs. Alonso is fairly even
Micheal....well no that doesn't count.

Your thoughts?
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Old 11 Jun 2004, 12:47 (Ref:1000729)   #2
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You make it sound so negative, things are getting better, BAR is pushing Ferrari more and more and with the immonent arival of the MP4 19B things could get very intresting verry soon...
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Old 11 Jun 2004, 12:52 (Ref:1000732)   #3
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Hard to predict how 2005 will be; everybody can agree that only the end of this one-man domination can bring up new elements of interest.
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Old 11 Jun 2004, 13:28 (Ref:1000748)   #4
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You left one off Williams Davidson.

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Old 11 Jun 2004, 13:56 (Ref:1000767)   #5
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Doesn't this just say it all, only 7 races in out of 18, and you're already looking forward to next year...

Grand Prix is boring boring boring.
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Old 11 Jun 2004, 14:17 (Ref:1000779)   #6
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There are plenty of possible lines of interest in 2005, but if Ferrari produce the best car again, the onyl interest will be the battle for 2nd. It's a shame because there is some good varied racing behind the Ferraris, but so many other championships are offering far mroe variety, thrills, real racing and surprises - MotoGP, BTCC and IRL for a start, which is where my interest is centred.
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Old 11 Jun 2004, 23:52 (Ref:1001235)   #7
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Don't start getting your hopes up ALREADY!

I have to embarrasdley admit I completely fell for all the "this will be the best F1 season EVER" hype that was going around the magazines and websites before Melbourne, and thusly came away from that race feeling hugely deflated at the lack of compettitiveness in that race.

So don't go getting your hopes up now, you'll only be either deflated, or right...better to think this boring streak will continue for about 10 years, then if it changes (like in Monaco), be pleasantly suprised!

Besides, it's already WORSE than 2002...by this time that year, we'd already had 3 different winners, and the 2002 Australian, Malaysian and Brazillian GP's were actually very exciting races....it was only when we hit Europe, the bubble burst!
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Old 11 Jun 2004, 23:55 (Ref:1001237)   #8
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There will be no improvement.
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Old 12 Jun 2004, 01:01 (Ref:1001264)   #9
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unless schumi gets out
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Old 12 Jun 2004, 06:47 (Ref:1001417)   #10
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Toyota will be up there. Zonta is in the top 5 every Friday
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Old 12 Jun 2004, 08:32 (Ref:1001464)   #11
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Get Schuey a decent team partner who will ignore the BS team orders and make him fight for each podium, RB needs to stop bending over and just taking it....fight back!
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Old 12 Jun 2004, 10:23 (Ref:1001574)   #12
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People say it is boring, but look at Monaco, there was ZERO overtaking, but it was still a great race. WHY? because somebody was going to beat the master.
Prost & Schumie have both said it & I agree, when somebody scores in basketball; so what - it happens every few seconds. when somebody scores in soccer; wow - what an achivement - it is quite normal for the score to end up nil/nil.
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Old 12 Jun 2004, 10:48 (Ref:1001588)   #13
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it will be better if merc and willams get their acts together and drivers like mark webber can get a decent car
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Old 12 Jun 2004, 10:50 (Ref:1001590)   #14
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btw welcome to the forum Scootch & courageous
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Old 12 Jun 2004, 11:15 (Ref:1001601)   #15
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Old 12 Jun 2004, 19:47 (Ref:1002033)   #16
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So don't go getting your hopes up now, you'll only be either deflated, or right...better to think this boring streak will continue for about 10 years, then if it changes (like in Monaco), be pleasantly suprised!

Or hope for a CART/IRL type split with this GPDA thing
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Old 13 Jun 2004, 00:52 (Ref:1002182)   #17
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Or hope for a CART/IRL type split with this GPDA thing
Good god no...I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy....who happened to be a racing fan too..

Boring races over worrying permenantly whether we'll get a racing series or not each year....Any day!
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Old 13 Jun 2004, 05:14 (Ref:1002307)   #18
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Mark Webber has a lot of promise if they can keep it on the circuit!
their is already a good soild base for 05
I would excpet the Merc boys to bounce back and the Kimmi /jpm fight should be good to watch although it should be a short one as Kimmi will take care of it quite quickly.
Renault will continue to improve but will the 1st non Gascoyne chassis perform?
Bar will start to move in a backward tread BUT not that much as the Willy's and Mac's will return form .
Toyota I think will be the biggest movers next year with a Gascyone Chassis and Ralf behind the wheel I think Toyota will overtake Bar
05 should be one of the best years for a while
+ more races sounds good to me
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Jeremy Clarkson on F1 at Monaco.
http://driving.timesonline.co.uk/art...142118,00.html

i agree but not 100%

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Old 14 Jun 2004, 21:34 (Ref:1004063)   #20
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Good god no...I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy....who happened to be a racing fan too..

Boring races over worrying permenantly whether we'll get a racing series or not each year....Any day!

Well that's what will likely happen if F1 keeps going the way it is now. We could see a big pull out by many teams and manufacturers to the GPDA to try to kill off F1 because they can't beat Ferrari.
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There must be a way of capturing the crackle of excitement I felt in Monaco.
There was, but Bernie pulled the plug on it after the 2002 season.....
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Williams - Ralf sucks
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Umm, The GPDA is the Grand Prix Drivers Association, I think that you might actually mean the GPWC, which is the Grand Prix World Championship, being organised by the car manufacturers.
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Clarkson's article - every single word was correct. Particularly the part about Ralf Schumacher!
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