Pizzonia in Heidfeld out!?

Formula Juan · 13 Mar 2005, 09:17 (Ref:1250640)

After his miserable performance on sunday how long till Williams dump Heidfeld into the test role and promote Pizzonia!?! Antonio did a fine job last year and deserves the seat IMO. I think after 5/6 races it will be his.

Anyone else any thoughts?

WebberForWDC · 13 Mar 2005, 09:20 (Ref:1250642)

Yeah right... hehe

I think that's pretty unlikely?

Marbot · 13 Mar 2005, 09:20 (Ref:1250643)

Hope this isn't going to turn into another bash.

Just like JV, let's give the guy a chance will ya!

Formula Juan · 13 Mar 2005, 09:21 (Ref:1250644)

But he was rubbish last week!

Marbot · 13 Mar 2005, 09:23 (Ref:1250645)

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Originally Posted by Formula Juan

But he was rubbish last week!

So was MS!

Formula Juan · 13 Mar 2005, 09:24 (Ref:1250646)

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Originally Posted by martyn bott

So was MS!

But MS is a 7x WDC. Heidfeld is a nobody.

Gt_R · 13 Mar 2005, 09:30 (Ref:1250649)

And pizzonia is?

This guy is finally in a top team. And we are talking about kicking him out after his first race with a new team. Do we kick Montoya out of Mclaren, after which throw JV into the sea?

Give these guys reasonable room to prove themselves. I may not be a die-hard fan of any of them, but i'd like to see them succeed, not fail.

Marbot · 13 Mar 2005, 09:31 (Ref:1250650)

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Originally Posted by Formula Juan

But MS is a 7x WDC. Heidfeld is a nobody.

MS may well be 7 times WDC,but his race was no better than NHs.Indeed many would agree that MS put a stop to both their races!

Formula Juan · 13 Mar 2005, 09:34 (Ref:1250651)

MS was caught out in quali, otherwise he'd have done better. Heidfeld was just useless all weekend. Pizzonia would have been faster IMO.

Marbot · 13 Mar 2005, 09:43 (Ref:1250654)

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Originally Posted by Formula Juan

MS was caught out in quali, otherwise he'd have done better. Heidfeld was just useless all weekend. Pizzonia would have been faster IMO.

MS may have done better,he may also have gone off at the first corner if he'd have qualified higher up the grid.Maybe even taken out someone else with him.RB had a much better race than TGF even taking into account qually positions.Is RB now a better driver than TGF?

Formula Juan · 13 Mar 2005, 09:45 (Ref:1250655)

Why are we talking about MS? This thread is about Heidfeld and Pizzonia.

Marbot · 13 Mar 2005, 09:50 (Ref:1250660)

You said NH was rubbish,he wasn't the only one!

I'm not sure AP would have done any better given the same circumstances.Would he have tried that move on TGF,hhhmmmm.

Formula Juan · 13 Mar 2005, 09:52 (Ref:1250664)

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Originally Posted by martyn bott

You said NH was rubbish,he wasn't the only one!

I'm not sure AP would have done any better given the same circumstances.Would he have tried that move on TGF,hhhmmmm.

Pizzonia is faster anyway, and hasen't spent 5 years doing absolutely nothing in reasonably good cars.

flor · 13 Mar 2005, 09:55 (Ref:1250667)

yeah sure the Jordan and Prost were reasonable good cars...

Marbot · 13 Mar 2005, 09:56 (Ref:1250668)

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Originally Posted by Formula Juan

Pizzonia is faster anyway, and hasen't spent 5 years doing absolutely nothing in reasonably good cars.

When did NH have a "reasonably good" car as opposed to AP.In MWs hands the Jag was "reasonably good" in APs,well....

pirenzo · 13 Mar 2005, 09:57 (Ref:1250669)

Well, I don't think its sensible to make such a judgement after only one race.
I personally don't think Pizzonia aquitted himself particularly well last year in the races he did, but he wasn't terrible.
Nick's performance at the Australian Grand Prix was a little disappointing in Quali, but in the race he was doing OK until he retired. I don't think there was much in it in lap times between Webber and Heidfeld, and there wasn't much in it in pre-season testing either.
Lets see how the next couple of races go, it would be highly unlikely a driver to get the sack before the first 5 or 6 races afterall.

Formula Juan · 13 Mar 2005, 09:57 (Ref:1250670)

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Originally Posted by flor

yeah sure the Jordan and Prost were reasonable good cars...

The Sauber was and he only just beat Raikkonen who was a rookie with about 20 single seater GP experience lol. They he was destroyed by HHF!

Kicking-back · 13 Mar 2005, 09:59 (Ref:1250671)

He was not destroyed by Frentzen.

Anyway, Heidfeld showed some good pace in the race in Melbourne, before Mr Schumacher ended it.

dsg · 13 Mar 2005, 10:00 (Ref:1250673)

It is a little early to judge anyone's performance with only one race being completed and that after the rain messed with qualifying. Lets put this discussion on hold until the picture clears a little.

flor · 13 Mar 2005, 10:02 (Ref:1250675)

this is just one of these useless bashing threads anyway

Formula Juan · 13 Mar 2005, 10:03 (Ref:1250676)

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Originally Posted by Kicking-back

He was not destroyed by Frentzen.

Umm...didn't HHF score 13 points to Heidfeld's 6 !?!?

marcus · 13 Mar 2005, 10:04 (Ref:1250678)

I would agree with that.

Even though i wanted Pizzonia to get the drive over Nick I still feel Nick performed pretty well at melbourne.

In fact it was hard to judge anyones performance really cause of the quali situation.

Still if you retire from a GP because you are racing MS for a position then you cant be doing that bad can you ?

pirenzo · 13 Mar 2005, 10:05 (Ref:1250680)

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Originally Posted by Formula Juan

The Sauber was and he only just beat Raikkonen who was a rookie with about 20 single seater GP experience lol. They he was destroyed by HHF!

What has Kimi got to do with it?
You cannot use that as evidence, all it says is Kimi is better than Nick, but we all know Kimi is probably better than Nick and Pizzonia. Without being able to compare Pizzonia to Kimi, what point does that post make?
If you're going to try and prove Pizzonia should be in the car, rather than Heidfeld, you've got to make direct comparisons or else you end up coming up with a list of who's better than both of them, which is only a subjective assessment of Pizzonia and Heidfelds ability overall, not which driver is the faster of the two.

Kicking-back · 13 Mar 2005, 10:06 (Ref:1250681)

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Originally Posted by Formula Juan

Umm...didn't HHF score 13 points to Heidfeld's 6 !?!?

The car was not a regular points scorer - HHF scored big in a couple of races where Heidfeld retired with mechanical problems.

When assessing drivers in teams that are not at the sharp end, we have to look beyond the points table.

Formula Juan · 13 Mar 2005, 10:07 (Ref:1250682)

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Originally Posted by Kicking-back

The car was not a regular points scorer - HHF scored big in a couple of races where Heidfeld retired with mechanical problems.

When assessing drivers in teams that are not at the sharp end, we have to look beyond the points table.

It's easy to make excuses but you have to say that Nick did nothing in 2001-2003 to prove he deserves a chance with a top team.

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