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Old 9 Jul 2004, 11:13 (Ref:1031172)   #1
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INTERNATIONAL Champ Car ?!

A must read excellently written article by Rick Matsumoto from The Toronto Star - enjoy

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Champ Car hits the road


It's appropriate that Toronto, one of the world's most multicultural cities, now holds the distinction of being the home of the Champ Car series' longest continually run international event.

The Molson Indy started with a bang in 1986, when 60,000 fans watched Bobby Rahal take the checkered flag. Attendance increased steadily in the ensuing years, encouraging CART — as the series was previously known — and Molstar Sports and Entertainment to launch a second race through the downtown streets of Vancouver in 1990. Two years ago, a third Canadian venue was added in Montreal.

Nineteen years after the first Toronto race, the original Molson Indy is still a 900-horsepower success story. But the rest of Champ Car is barely recognizable. Since 1986, the series has inexorably moved more and more of its events out of the United States. Coming to Toronto, it turns out, was just the beginning. This year, for the first time, there are an equal number of international and American races on the Champ Car calendar.

"The idea of having just an American championship to me is terribly closed-minded," said Paul Gentilozzi, who along with Kevin Kalkhoven and Gerry Forsythe purchased the assets of bankrupt CART in February. "We cross borders now without thinking about it. And we don't have the same sense of nationalism in our sports as we used to have."

Toronto wasn't actually the first city outside the U.S. to hold a Champ Car event. CART raced in 1980 and 1981 in Mexico City but left after the second race and did not return for 21 years. Since the 1986 breakthrough in Toronto, however, the series has spread around the world.

The sun-soaked streets of Surfers Paradise, Australia, have been host to one of the circuit's most successful events since 1991, drawing more than 100,000 fans on race day each year. A return to Mexico, first at Monterrey in 2001 and then Mexico City in 2002, has been a resounding success. Ventures into Brazil, Japan, England and Germany have drawn respectable crowds but have been less successful financially.

Champ Car is slated to go to Seoul, Korea, in October, but delicate negotiations are still continuing and the chances of the event going ahead are now listed as 50-50 at best.

Conversely, races in the United States — where the series got its start in 1909 under the American Automobile Association — have steadily dwindled. Gone are events in Florida, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Ohio, Illinois and Texas. The series' growing global flavour even includes a host of international champions.

Emerson Fittipaldi became the first non-American to win the championship when the Brazilian captured the title in 1989. He has since been followed by England's Nigel Mansell (1993), Canadian Jacques Villeneuve (1995), Italian Alex Zanardi (1997 and '98 ), Colombian Juan Pablo Montoya (1999), Brazilian Gil de Ferran (2000 and 2001), Brazilian Cristiano da Matta (2002) and last year's champion, Scarborough's Paul Tracy.

Today there are only three American drivers, led by veteran Jimmy Vasser, the 1996 champion, and the last American to win the title. The other two are sophomore Ryan Hunter-Reay and rookie A.J. Allmendinger.

As recently as two years ago Vasser was CART's only American driver and the lack of American faces is a factor often mentioned as one of the reasons the series has struggled in its homeland.

The main reason, of course, is the 1996 split between CART and the IRL, which has produced two competing open-wheeled series.

But the series owners say they are not locked into being in a set number of American cities. Instead, they'll go where the economics are best, U.S. roots be damned. "Champ Car has always been a quasi-international championship," said Gentilozzi. "We've been to Brazil, Japan, Australia; all over the world. Heck, we've been in Canada almost 20 years. "We welcome the fact that we're a North American-based series that has some international exposure. I'm sure we'll be in four or five countries outside the U.S. next year."

While he wouldn't directly name the countries or cities Champ Cars is targeting as future sites, Gentilozzi did offer some hints. "It would be foolish for me to talk about venues," he said. "But I think we'll be in South America next year and we're looking hard at European venues. We think there are opportunities there."

CART attempted an England-Germany European doubleheader in 2001 and went back for a single event in England in 2002. However, the cross-Atlantic venture ended with those three races. "We can't afford to do just one race in Europe because of the transportation costs," said Gentilozzi. "When we get two races we can go back to Europe."

There was some talk about Champ Cars going to South Africa as early as next year, but that's off the screen, at least for now. "It's all about funding and that event did not get funded," said Gentilozzi. "The part the government needed to do they couldn't do. So South Africa is dead."

There have also been rumours about a fourth Canadian race, this one on the streets of Calgary, which has a high number of corporate headquarters, especially those in the rich oil and gas industries. "We're looking at every avenue," he said. "It's just another North American city. We want to look at cities which, No. 1, welcome us and No. 2 can do business with us." And therein lies the secret to which cities or countries might wind up as a future Champ Car race venue.


With the hugely successful NASCAR series having a virtual stranglehold on sponsorship of consumer products, Gentilozzi and his partners have narrowed their aim to Champ Cars' traditional sponsors, the manufacturing sector. "The NASCAR sponsor probably isn't the Champ Car sponsor," said Gentilozzi. "The NASCAR sponsor is probably going to be a consumer product, mostly in the U.S. and based mostly in the southeast. And they're looking at large volumes of people that simply see the exposure.

"The Champ Car-sponsor relationship has been different. This is a place where companies come to do business. It really is a business-to-business relationship forum. Gentilozzi points out that a company can't take 20 employees to a NASCAR race and walk them through the pits, talk to the drivers and then have lunch with them.

"If you're selling beer in the U.S. NASCAR is a better venue," he said. "But if you're selling industrial jets this is a much better one." Both Gentilozzi and Kalkhoven insist that because of the type of companies that sponsor Champ Cars it makes television coverage less important to them than to the businesses that sponsor NASCAR or F1 teams.

"Take my sponsor Gulfstream," said Kalkhoven. "They're not here (in Cleveland) to exactly sell a lot of Gulfstream (private jets) via television. They're going to sell to pilots and potential owners. It's a wonderful opportunity to get these people for three days and indoctrinate them in Gulfstream. "They're using the romance and excitement of motorsports that really appeals to the pilots and potential owners."

Gentilozzi feels there are similar companies worldwide that are interested in using auto racing as a venue for business-to-business schmoozing. As the business world recovers from the slump that resulted from the 9/11 terrorist attacks he feels the market will improve.

"The first think big companies do is take away discretionary spending when the economy is down. Everyone wants to keep their stock value up, so you look at marketing, public relations and advertising budgets."

But he sees a rebound in the economies of the industrialized world. "The big advertising agencies, they're hot properties right now because everybody knows that as the economy gets stronger their activities are going to get stronger," he said. "As companies spend more money promoting their products they'll come back to motorsports."

The survival of the international Champ Car series is counting on it.
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Haven't posted a link to it because Toronto Star has a silly habit of changing links whenever they move an item - btw, there's a link to it in another thread on a different subject...

Now, the reason why I'm pointing this article is very simple: many people have a misconception when it comes to Champ Car - they wish it to be an American open-wheeled series ?!... well it is, just as F1 is British ?! (insert "idea" emoticon)... and Champ Car has been trying to emulate F1 for decades - we all know that... so, to all the neysayers: THINK ABOUT IT - why cry when instead of racing at Mid-Ohio we'll race in Korea or China ?!... food for thought...


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Old 9 Jul 2004, 11:55 (Ref:1031212)   #2
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Has the guy who wrote this even heard of the IRL? In 1995, when CART had the pick of every great US venue, there were 3 overseas visits, and a field where most of the overseas drivers were proven talents. There was also a healthy balance sheet. Venturing further international and ignoring promising US talent in favour of drivers who wanted a leg-up into F1 or a consolation prize drive was what caused CART to become unpopular and ultimately bankrupt.
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Old 9 Jul 2004, 15:12 (Ref:1031426)   #3
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Why not China or Korea? Comp-Speed and Hangang Park aren't particularly impressive or inspired road courses, and the populace may not have a clue about what CART is.
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Old 9 Jul 2004, 16:29 (Ref:1031509)   #4
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Technically, ChampCar has been international for a while. I'd consider crossing one border to be going international myself! Let's look at the countries at the moment:

USA
Canada
Mexico
Australia
Korea (perhaps)

Add to that previous:
Brazil
England
Germany
Japan

That's quite international - that's five continents, only one missing is Africa (I'm NOT counting Antarctica!)
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There is no reason that IRLOWRS cannot or should not go to South America, it would make a good late winter semi-series, as both USAC and CART did; plus they are still Americans in reality, different language or not, Detroit has been down there for decades building cars that are familiar to Norht American fans also.
But first one had better have a recognized product. To do this ignoring the 250 million in the US is foolish.
Secondly, unless one has enough bucks to tell Bernis and the FIA to stick their heads in dark tunnels, without a already extremely strong product, one is more like the Black Night in Python's "Holy Grail".
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Old 9 Jul 2004, 18:37 (Ref:1031600)   #6
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OWRS should go international....


it establishes a definite niche that makes the Series different...

and another reason to do so:

Over the past four years or so, ESPN and USA Today have done polls of American auto racing fans and their racing preferences...

NASCAR is the clear winner with over 50% in virtually every poll that has been taken in that time period..

Second place is held by NHRA at a range of 11%-13%...

Third is Motorcycles & Superbikes at just under 10% to about 12% over that period...

F-1 and the IRL have been pretty stagnant and consistent among aAmericans....both come in at 5.6%

Champ Cars, CART and/or OWRS -- 1.5% -- consistently at 1.5%......

Thus, oWRS S better off racing where fans want to watch them and support the Series:

Canada
Mexico
South America
Australia
Europe

Because in America (at least over the past 4 years) their overall motorsports fan base stinks....

Why beat your head against a wall...go to where your fervent fans are...

In the countries and continents listed above....

That's good business...simple as that
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Old 9 Jul 2004, 18:42 (Ref:1031604)   #7
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Well now we know why they don't seem to care about the TV deal.
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Old 9 Jul 2004, 22:01 (Ref:1031749)   #8
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Why not China or Korea? Comp-Speed and Hangang Park aren't particularly impressive or inspired road courses, and the populace may not have a clue about what CART is.
That is yet to be proven... there's a Korean tire maker and an auto manufacturer that are dying to get into Champ Car - that is why the Seoul thingy was incepted... as for China - it's very simple: FORD wants to go there - their most aggressively growing market nowdays is China, and the Beijing track is being built/completed (as we speak) just for Champ Car in mind - originally was planned for F1 but Bernie chose Shanghai... and once Champ Car does get there then they'll learn what it is all about and guaranteed they'll jump on it - they love anything American (to begin with) - that's for fandom... but, in actuality it isn't about "fandom" or a good show, it's all about $$$ ?!... and Mid-Ohio ain't it ?!... food for thought...

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OWRS should go international....


it establishes a definite niche that makes the Series different...

and another reason to do so:

Over the past four years or so, ESPN and USA Today have done polls of American auto racing fans and their racing preferences...

NASCAR is the clear winner with over 50% in virtually every poll that has been taken in that time period..

Second place is held by NHRA at a range of 11%-13%...

Third is Motorcycles & Superbikes at just under 10% to about 12% over that period...

F-1 and the IRL have been pretty stagnant and consistent among aAmericans....both come in at 5.6%

Champ Cars, CART and/or OWRS -- 1.5% -- consistently at 1.5%......

Thus, oWRS S better off racing where fans want to watch them and support the Series:

Canada
Mexico
South America
Australia
Europe

Because in America (at least over the past 4 years) their overall motorsports fan base stinks....

Why beat your head against a wall...go to where your fervent fans are...

In the countries and continents listed above....

That's good business...simple as that

Very well said... but it also reminds me of a latest rumor: should IRL's TV ratings not improve then they'll get dropped from ESPN2 to Nickeldeon2 ?!... hihihaha... couldn't resist, sorry...

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Nickelodeon2 seems to be a good fit for IRL since all they have for programming is cartoons.
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Well now we know why they don't seem to care about the TV deal.
Not exactly... what's happening is that OWRS is putting "the quality & showcase" of the product above everything else - first get good well attended venues recognized INTERNATIONALLY and then a good TV deal will fall through - they need to have a better product to sell... with all this international mumbo-jumbo shenaningas they are on a right track to attract enough interest (ie: sponsors) in order to boost the series - once that part is somewhat achieved then we'll worry about the local exposure... at least, that's the way I read it, and I really agree with that thinking...

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Ah, ya right. And in the meantime, FANS LIKE ME that have year after year after year who have paid through the nose to travel to 5 or 6 events a year can't watch the races LIVE??? Squewed thinking in my books, and I've actully given up caring about it this year. I don't get the cold sweats worring about when a race is on anymore. GOOD WORK BOYS!
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Hey Mags,
it can only get better... relax - there IS a light at the end of the tunnel - ask PG he'll tell ya... (don't now whether to laugh here or just roll eyes)...

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I'm rolling my eyes! And giving UP! It's why I switched to the ALMS. At least I see most of those races live.
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Ah, ya right. And in the meantime, FANS LIKE ME that have year after year after year who have paid through the nose to travel to 5 or 6 events a year can't watch the races LIVE??? Squewed thinking in my books, and I've actully given up caring about it this year. I don't get the cold sweats worring about when a race is on anymore. GOOD WORK BOYS!
I've never understood why something live makes any difference. It never has to me.
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It makes a massive difference.

Seeing something as it happened, knowing the outcome is not already settled (whether you are aware of the result or not) adds excitement.

Serious sporting events all have live coverage.

I watch every ChampCar and IndyCar race live.
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Thank you Kicking-Back. I'm a serious racing fan and to have to not watch news and not listen to tv because I might hear the results of a race before I get a chance to watch it is a serious downer.
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I've said it many times - I'm amazed that I, in the UK, can see every IRL, ChampCar and NASCAR race live, and you can't.
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I'm going over to my bestest friends house tomorrow to watch a race LIVE tomorrow!!! BLESS you Global!!!

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