Which Historic Saloon Races?

Colin McKay · 23 Oct 2008, 09:11 (Ref:2318862)

I now have a car which should be eligible for 'proper' historic racing (unlike the previous one which was built specifically for one series). There's a fair selection to choose from in the UK and near-Europe, but which would 10/10ers recommend and which would they give a miss?

**Peter Mallett** · 23 Oct 2008, 09:15 (Ref:2318867)

It would be good to know what the car is first.

Colin McKay · 23 Oct 2008, 09:54 (Ref:2318895)

Doh!

It's a 1964 Jag S-type. Before last weekend it hadn't run for a couple of years but with the previous owner it's done some HSCC/CTCRC/Masters stuff and looks like it may have done Spa 6hrs, but I've got to research this more.

Al Weyman · 23 Oct 2008, 10:07 (Ref:2318899)

CTCRC if you want shorter races HSCC and Masters for longer ones, take yer choice I guess, also regs maybe a factor. From what I see some (Master) the regs see very lax, the CTCRC regs I personally like (I race with them) and think they are fairly policed and well laid out. HSCC regs seem very similiar butt he races are a longer duration which do not suit me personally (unfit and overweight and get bored easily :-) ). Also with your car in CTCRC races you could usually get a 2nd much discounted race in one of the other championships, say the pre 66 classics then the Post Historics or even a third in Group 1 if you are really greedy.

morninggents · 23 Oct 2008, 11:04 (Ref:2318943)

You will be very welcome with the HRSR / HSCC. We have around 10 or 11 races per year with a mix of 12/15 lap sprints (some being double headers) and 40/45 minute optional 2 driver races. We were also lucky enough this year to have a Grand Prix support race.
We cater for HRSR classes and Appendix K classes.
We have had a couple of 'S' types racing with us over the years.

**Peter Mallett** · 23 Oct 2008, 11:09 (Ref:2318948)

Ex Roger Cope(?). If so I recevied a S Type Jag dent in my car from his co driver in a one hour at Pembrey in 1996!

As Al says you have the choice of Pre 65 (it was announced in that year) Post Historics or Pre 83s with CTCRC. You'll need HTP for Top Hat.

Can't remember the spec of the car in question but check the homologation papers before applying for the HTP.

As morninggents says there's also the HSCC.

Colin McKay · 23 Oct 2008, 12:52 (Ref:2319067)

Yes, Roger's old car rescued from obscurity and being recommisioned for next year. Never having dealt with Appx K or HTP before, can someone explain what is involved or where to look?

Oh, and Peter, sorry about the dent!

**Peter Mallett** · 23 Oct 2008, 12:57 (Ref:2319071)

Terence Bower seems to know about these things as does Zef, why not pm them?

BTW. Many moons ago I had a mate who put a manual gearbox into an S Type. I remember chasing a Ferrari (con't recall the model) up the Kingston By Pass in it, when we pulled alonside at the Putney Vale teraffic lights there was a stunning red headed woman sitting behind the wheel. Sadly she turned off towards Barnes and we went on through Wandsworth. Can't think why I remember that.

CortinaCrew · 23 Oct 2008, 14:01 (Ref:2319115)

Hi,

Personally I'd go for CTCRC Pre-66 hosted by the effervescent Andy Messham, and grab a second race on each day in Post Historics (Pre-74). You'd be a front runner there I'd say.

Where the car came from in other words!

Paul.

terence · 23 Oct 2008, 15:26 (Ref:2319171)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Colin McKay

Yes, Roger's old car rescued from obscurity and being recommisioned for next year. Never having dealt with Appx K or HTP before, can someone explain what is involved or where to look?

Oh, and Peter, sorry about the dent!

To save you the trouble of a PM Colin,all you need for HTP is proof that the S Type has international competition history in period [not your particular car] but in general.If you do need any further help,feel free with the PM.

Al Weyman · 23 Oct 2008, 15:53 (Ref:2319183)

I endorse what CortinaCrew said but I would would'nt I? :-)

Colin McKay · 23 Oct 2008, 19:50 (Ref:2319338)

I see a lot of form filling in my future....

simon drabble · 24 Oct 2008, 07:25 (Ref:2319618)

Quote:

Originally Posted by terence bower

To save you the trouble of a PM Colin,all you need for HTP is proof that the S Type has international competition history in period [not your particular car] but in general.If you do need any further help,feel free with the PM.

and therein lies the problem.... they are not eligible for papers so Masters is probably off the meneu - lovely car and raced against it in days gone by

zefarelly · 24 Oct 2008, 08:42 (Ref:2319676)

Have masters ever turned an entry away ?

I look forward to seeing the calenders and costs for next year

HSCC is looking fave at the moment . . .HRS in the Rochdale!

john ruston · 24 Oct 2008, 10:46 (Ref:2319819)

Suggest there will be less series to run in next year and those that do will let anything it as its going to be cash that wins

Colin McKay · 24 Oct 2008, 12:40 (Ref:2319893)

Quote:

Originally Posted by simon drabble

they are not eligible for papers

Is this just because of the competition history or is there another reason? Surely someone, somewhere must have raced one in period. Does anyone know if a single international race is enough to prove the case and what is the exact cut-off? I need to do something while sitting at my desk through a recession!!!

simon drabble · 24 Oct 2008, 13:09 (Ref:2319921)

haha know the feeling! Sadly I think I am right in saying that Jaguar never applied for homologation in period. Coupled with no international history and et voila - no papers.
For what it is worth I would get a great Mk 2 shell and use the engine/gearbox etc build up a Mk2 where you can get papers and they look/sound fantastic....

rogerwills · 24 Oct 2008, 13:10 (Ref:2319922)

I have a list of all cars homologated if anyone wants a copy - PM me

**Peter Mallett** · 24 Oct 2008, 13:33 (Ref:2319946)

One international event is, as far as I know, good enough.

rogerwills · 24 Oct 2008, 13:40 (Ref:2319949)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter Mallett

One international event is, as far as I know, good enough.

Yes, that is right. And do you have a list of every car that ever raced in an international event?

Didn't think so.

Happy to provide the list of homologated cars if anyone would like it.

**Peter Mallett** · 24 Oct 2008, 14:08 (Ref:2319977)

Um,

No, and well done to you.

**Peter Mallett** · 24 Oct 2008, 14:13 (Ref:2319982)

Quote:

Originally Posted by simon drabble

haha know the feeling! Sadly I think I am right in saying that Jaguar never applied for homologation in period. Coupled with no international history and et voila - no papers.
For what it is worth I would get a great Mk 2 shell and use the engine/gearbox etc build up a Mk2 where you can get papers and they look/sound fantastic....

Refresh my memory. Did the MkII race with the 3.8 or 3.4?

Al Weyman · 24 Oct 2008, 14:16 (Ref:2319985)

Funny enough I was going to ask the question, why on earth would anyone run an S-Type instead of the Mk2 in period, it must be heavier the only reason I can think of is the IRS.

**Peter Mallett** · 24 Oct 2008, 14:19 (Ref:2319987)

I should point out that it is a very competitive car so as far as speed and capability is concerned it is a good vehicle.

Just a thought. Homologation papers are issued to cover the development of each model of car. They don't per se confirm that the car competed in an international event. Jeremy H will no doubt put me right on this.

simon drabble · 24 Oct 2008, 15:05 (Ref:2320030)

it ran with a 3.8 in the last owner's hands didn't it??

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