classic ff2000

[SAMD]

Could anyone tell me if a Crossle 51 would be competitive in Classic FF2000? also, would it be cost effective to build a 1982 FF2000 car from an uncompetitive 1982 1600 car?
You can see where I am coming from.

[Pink Panther]

For advise on the cost effective to build a 1982 FF2000 car from an uncompetitive 1982 1600 car I would give Ken a call at URS on 01953 789223 (based near Snetteron)

Good championship. Come and join us.

[driftwood]

I cant see it being viable ££ wise to convert 1600 car into 2 litre car better to buy teh running artcile as a 2 litre
crossle 51 was not a race winning car in period that was delta reynard royale VD domain but i cannot see why a car cannot be tweeked tested till its a front runner
like most things in life
1 how much $ do you have to spend
2 how much time and knowledge do you possess
there is a fine line between turning the sows ear into a "silk" purse and buying a turn key race ready winning car and most people take this route as its a known entity and often cheaper route

[Bob Pearson]

Mike Whatley used to take some wins in URS with a Crossle, but I cant remember which model he had. You're right Driftwood, unless you are very knowledgable on the particular formula and car the conversion from 1600 to 2 litre can easily make it more expensive than simply buying an up together car.
We.ve looked at it a few times, and could never make the figures add up to it being viable.

[SAMD]

Ok, the obvious bits are Engine, wheels, wings, radiator.
What else?

[driftwood]

maybe bodywork to suit the wings but do the maths i beit it is NOT cost effective

[SAMD]

Originally Posted by driftwood

maybe bodywork to suit the wings but do the maths i beit it is NOT cost effective

LOL tell me what IS cost effective in motor racing!

[driftwood]

scaletrix !
i bet if yo do the maths on the cost of FF1600 car purchase
then buy pinto motor and ancillery parts etc body wings wheels it will add up to cost of buying a running 2 litre car

[Bob Pearson]

you can buy a good RF82 van diemen for between 9 and 13k depending on its condition and pedigree and that will be ready to go. Those are the figures you need to use as a target for your crossle plus extras price, but bear in mind that a Crossle will always be valued at less than a VD, so I would say you need to aim at
8k, unless of course, you just simply enjoy the project thing, rather like a kit car. In which case, do whatever grabs you.

[Bob Pearson]

SAMD, I've just realised that no-one answered your question from Christamas eve. In truth, the only person who could answer that is someone who has done the job on that perticular car. The rules from that period were that any 1600/ 2000 car must be possible to be changed back without modifying the chassis, so you can see that the scope is quite big.
Almost certainly you would need a different nose and nose frame, possibly a different oil tank in addition to what you have said. With some cars, they even need different wishbones and rockers.
If you are really keen, why dont you try to speak to someone from the Crossle factory, no replacement for the horses mouth so to speak.
Personally the more different chassis there are in URS the better, so, from that point of view I'm on your side

[SAMD]

Originally Posted by driftwood

scaletrix !
i bet if yo do the maths on the cost of FF1600 car purchase
then buy pinto motor and ancillery parts etc body wings wheels it will add up to cost of buying a running 2 litre car

You are preaching to the converted Driftwood. I am well aware of the costs involved in the conversion (plus the hidden ones I am not aware of) However, I think it is not as straightforward as that. I am only interested in this idea because firstly the 1600 car is cheap, not sure exactly but prob £3k ish. Its rough and needs a rebuild, so my intention if things work that way would be to strip it to the chassis and refurbish/rebuild it. The 1600 nose just has a wee wing fitted to it and the URS rear wing would sort that end. Ok, it needs an engine but in FF that is a given anyway. So, whether it stays 1600 or changes to 2000 it needs a £4k rebuild, the additional costs to convert it apart from the engine should not be very significant.

Anyhow, its a sort of a secondary project if another, primary one falls through.
I had thought it might be worthwhile as it is badly outclassed in 1600 form but with inboard susp. the car could be developed into a good Classic/Historic car in 2000 form.

[Dermot Healy]

If the mystery Crossle owner has any sense he/she might read all this, draw the obvious conclusion & advertise their car. Then i can just buy it which will put everyone one out of their misery.

[jamesl]

Sam,

Chances are you will also need a specially made Pinto exhaust. The 51F has peculiar rear braces on the chassis, which require a tight up and over header. I'd be very suprised if a "normal" straight out and back system would fit.

[driftwood]

Dermot i think the snow melting will put everyone out of their misery!