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4 Aug 2003, 14:36 (Ref:679665)
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Worst car to win an F1 race?
How about... the Jordan Ford EJ13 - Brazil 2003!
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4 Aug 2003, 14:55 (Ref:679680)
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Rosberg in the Theodore at Silvers Int Trophy (in the snow)
Jim Clark in 66 US GP (Lotus with BRM H16) |
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4 Aug 2003, 15:10 (Ref:679690)
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The FW25 is a dog, according to many.
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4 Aug 2003, 15:14 (Ref:679694)
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Relative to the competition, this year's Jordan, undoubtedly is up there. But that H16 engine was anotehr atrocity that only Clark could've dragged to glory.
The 1996 Ferrari is perhaps the worst to win multiple races, although once oyu factor their appalling reliability, Senna did well to win 5 times in 3 years at Lotus. |
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4 Aug 2003, 15:23 (Ref:679706)
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Did Rosberg win in the 1984 Williams? Such a wobbly, flexy atrocity!
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4 Aug 2003, 15:32 (Ref:679711)
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Fisichella Brazil 03 Jordan EJ13
Rosberg Dallas 1984 Williams FW09 Villeneuve Monaco/Spain 81 Ferrari 126CK Piquet France 85 Brabham BT54 (Beautiful car. But ****. But on this day it's Pirelli's worked wonders for once) Schumacher Spain 1996 Ferrari F310 |
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4 Aug 2003, 15:49 (Ref:679720)
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nearly ........... Damon Hill in Hungary in Arrows-Yam, had it lasted another lap !
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4 Aug 2003, 15:59 (Ref:679729)
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4 Aug 2003, 16:41 (Ref:679757)
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This years Jordan. Win was pure luck.
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4 Aug 2003, 19:53 (Ref:679894)
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In recent years the worst car to win by far has to be the Jordan in Brazil this year. As for the earlier F1 years - :confused:
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4 Aug 2003, 20:11 (Ref:679910)
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Definitely. I mean, look at that car, they cannot drive a decent race.
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4 Aug 2003, 21:30 (Ref:679956)
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4 Aug 2003, 21:31 (Ref:679958)
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Not F1, but Tazio Nuvolari 1935 German GP Alfa
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4 Aug 2003, 21:32 (Ref:679959)
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Well, usually in these questions you need to look all the way back to 1950 and pick out various occurances, but to be honest, can you really top the Jordan EJ13 - the 2nd worst car in the field - winning a race? I don't really think so.
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Don't let manufacturers ruin F1. RIP Tyrrell, Arrows, Prost, Minardi, Jordan.
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4 Aug 2003, 21:36 (Ref:679964)
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Panis in a Ligier in Monaco springs to mind
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4 Aug 2003, 21:41 (Ref:679973)
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I think Panis in the Ligier at Monaco '96 without a doubt.
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4 Aug 2003, 22:27 (Ref:679998)
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What about Jean Alesi in 95 at Montreal in the ferrari?
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4 Aug 2003, 22:39 (Ref:680003)
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Ligier cars were hardly a dog in 1996 having the same Renault engines as Williams, and chassis input from Benetton.
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4 Aug 2003, 22:43 (Ref:680004)
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The 96 Ligier Panis drove to victory had a Mugen Honda engine in it.
The EJ-13 is probably the most improbable car to take a win. |
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4 Aug 2003, 23:05 (Ref:680018)
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How about the Cooper that Pdero Rodrigues won the 1967 South African GP with? OR maybe the Penski that Watson won the 1976 Austrian GP with?
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4 Aug 2003, 23:45 (Ref:680041)
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Re: Worst car to win an F1 race?
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and suspension breakings, they could had a 1,2 in Brazil if Firmans hadn't gone because he was with Fisi when it happened. |
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5 Aug 2003, 00:33 (Ref:680067)
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This years Jordan would certainly rate.
But I agree with the thought on Keke Rosberg at Dallas in the Williams in 1984. Williams cars during the years 1983-84 were bloody awful. |
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5 Aug 2003, 03:29 (Ref:680134)
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Fisi's win was pure luck? I suppose from the perspective of the car yes, but from the driver a most definate no. Recall he did pass the second comming. (although we don't hear much about that now adays.
What about Panis' win? |
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5 Aug 2003, 07:13 (Ref:680205)
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Lets see: 1958 Argentine GP - Moss - Cooper T43. OK, not the worst car in the world, but it was SOOOO underpowered and Moss was the only guy around who could have won with it (tyres were down to the canvass at the end). 1972 Monaco GP - Beltoise - BRM P160B. Failed to score a point anywhere else with the 'B' version and the 'C' (later in the year) only just managed it. 1981 Monaco and Spanish GPs - Villeneuve - Ferrari 126CK. Absolutely HAS to be on the list. Incredible power, but possibly the worst handling car to win a GP - how, just how did Gilles win at Monaco!? 1984 Dallas - Rosberg - Williams FW09. Turbo like a switch. 1996 Monaco GP (again!) - Panis - Ligier JS43 This year's Jordan has to be on the list too, especially as it's been struggling to stay ahead of the Minardis at several races (and breaks down a lot!) As for multiple winners, three spring to mind: 1974 Lotus 72E - Peterson - 3 wins. Classic car, but too long in the tooth by then. 1993 McLaren MP4/8 - Senna - 5 wins. Better in the latter part of the year, but to take those early wins was something special. 1996-1997 Ferrari 310/310B - Schumacher - 3 and 5 wins. In terms of pure driving, probably Schuey's best period, unitl Jerez. |
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5 Aug 2003, 07:36 (Ref:680218)
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would you really call the 1997 Ferrari that bad?
Even if Schumi was driving it, a car which comes so close to a championship could not be that bad |
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