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23 Oct 2010, 02:39 (Ref:2778641) | #1 | ||
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23 Oct 2010, 09:40 (Ref:2778826) | #2 | ||
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Yep, surely - probably SBF
But it's great to have this piece of news - justifies some of us when we're so adamant about pitlane entry/exit positions - especially the exits. bio |
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23 Oct 2010, 09:41 (Ref:2778827) | #3 | ||
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Plus, if it was revised by SBF, the track direction would be reversed and then, according to Christian Horner, would be better for the Red Bulls
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23 Oct 2010, 13:07 (Ref:2778909) | #4 | ||
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As regard the pit entry! They could redesign the last bend quickly and easily. If you draw a straight line from turn 16 to the pit entry road it would miss the blind bend. Just means they would have to make a hole in the wall opposite turn 16 and lay a bit of tarmac.It would make the pit-entry a bit longer but much safer.Some advice for Mr.Tilke thats free! Just hope he agrees with me.
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23 Oct 2010, 13:36 (Ref:2778922) | #5 | ||
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As far as I know they are planning to build houses and other buildings around that part of the track, so that might be the reason the pit entry is a bit awkward asnd there is no possibility to redesign it.
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23 Oct 2010, 14:59 (Ref:2778944) | #6 | ||
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Well, around the inside of Turn 17, they're building the marina, so hopefully, by next year, the yachts will be moored drivers' right on the inside of that crescent. At least, that's the plan.
My thought for the last few days has been that they needed to put pit lane on the inside of the track, but I'm not sure that there's space to put the garages and everything between the two straights. Frankly, I think they should have stuck with the original track layout, and then put the pit lanes in the infield. And with pit lane on the inside, you could probably have pit in past Turn 18, and just have pit out after Turn 2, without it constricting the run-off area. |
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I have to say that I was appalled by the GP pit entry and the pit exits on both the GP and the Short version, with both coming on the outside of their respective T1s.
From the early drawings I'd always assumed that the pits were internal, rather than external to the circuit. The GP pit entry is the easiest to resolve as TerryD points out by having the pit entry cut across the run-off rather than having to hug the semicircular wall and then go around the outside of the run-off area. The pit out is an altogether different issue. THere is no easy way, without adding 100s of metres to the pit exit, by running it around the outside of the T1 run-off (they can't reduce this due to the speeds on the pit straight), and have them join the long straight at a very slight angle. THe issue there being that the curve of any pit exit and section to join back onto the straight would have cars exiting the pitlane at a much faster speed than those who went through T1 ... unless they have to keep the pit lane limiter on for a stupidly long time, which would then remove the 2 stop strategy as you'd loose way to much time in the pit lane. |
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I think it's fine. The drivers need to suck it up and get on with it. If Monaco is considered safe enough to race on, there shouldn't be any complaints here.
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24 Oct 2010, 05:33 (Ref:2779185) | #9 | ||
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the drivers cannot do anything else, can they? They suck it up, go and race. That doesn't make the pitlane exit/entry any better though. bio |
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24 Oct 2010, 05:43 (Ref:2779187) | #11 | ||
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I am sure there will be no issue becuase cars cannot follow each other closeley anyway
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I see that Petrov did his best to knock a hole in the barrier, exactly where we are calling for a modified pit lane entry to join the existing pitlane.
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also if they'd started the pits at turn 16 they could've started the pitlane proper earlier, and had an earlier exit, although that would mean the first few may not be exactly opposite their pitboxes on the pitwall
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Once again: there will be a marina on the right side of the semi-circular section just before the pit entry, so it's not really possible to put the pit entry earlier I believe.
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That's why you need a real designer who foresees problems before they actually happen, now there's littel that can be done because the track is already there!
Makes me wonder how come Tilke's name keeps popping out on F1 circus, he must be really connected to FIA since some of his tracks have been criticized over pure racing aspect by drivers , this one critique in particular regarding safety and practicality, they keep calling guy all over the world and I really don't see anything awe inspiring in his designs over, say Alan Wilson's work which includes Barber and Miller, works of art IMHO. |
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Well, I guess it's either him holding the right strings to pull, or the fact that his tracks ahve so far served the purpose - there weren't any really negative things happening on them, and maybe Bernie doesn't want to change until mit becomes necessary...
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look, they're not gonna bypass Turn 17, so why not put a little jump on the outside of 17, so the cars "sail" across the propose marina into the pit lane? sorta like a complete opposite of pit exit at Abu Dhabi?
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If they had put the pitlane on the other side of the track in the first place this discussion wouldn't even be necessary
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Thing that gets me about this is that there was no need to screw it up. Its just poor design. There shouldn't even have been an issue like this. In the drafts (if Tilke does any ) they should have noticed this issue, moved where the buildings will be, and put the pit-lane on the infield.
I can bet if someone had posted this as a My Track design like someone said earlier, we would have noticed this, and that's frustrating when you start thinking that it should have been done better. Having said that rant , I do like this track more than others, and think it shows promise. Just a bit of a shame about the pit-lane, but hey you never know, might be a feature that makes it more exciting in the future... |
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