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Old 2 Apr 2002, 17:58 (Ref:250129)   #1
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Q & A On Autosport with Patrick Head



Q: What do you think of the incident between Juan and Michael?

"I don't know, we'll have to look at the film and make a judgement. But he was he car behind, and it was Juan that was moving across to the right, but I think he was just too close. We need to look and see if there's some film from the top [of the car] or something. But whatever it was, it destroyed his race for big points."

Q: Did he make a bad start for some reason?

"Well he did get into the first corner first, and he was fully ahead, but he couldn't hold his line so he slid out to the right, and when that happens you lose the grip and you can't drive out. So Juan went into the first corner too quickly, so he made a mistake in the first corner, and paid the penalty."

Q: Do you think Juan needs to change his approach, because in the last two races he lost valuable points...

"Basically if you're going to win a championship you don't bump into other cars, that's all there is to it."


Q: Was Ralf's performance a mature one, or were you egging him on a little bit in those last few laps?

"No, I think if he could have had a go he would have done so. I don't know, maybe we were running a bit too much wing or something, but we just couldn't get to grips with the Ferrari on the straight. He drove very maturely, and obviously we hope to do better next time out."



Just confirms what everyone believes. Montoya's crying about Schumacher cutting him off but even his own team doesent believe that one.

Maybe he should stop listening to Schumacher and instead of trying to play mind games with Michael Schumacher - he should just drive the car.

Williams are not happy - cant blame them either. Anytime, constructors championship points are lost - Patrick and Frank will let their drivers know they are not pleased.

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Old 2 Apr 2002, 18:04 (Ref:250132)   #2
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Yeah I think what Montoya needs to do now is do a few sensible, mature drives and rack up some good points.
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Old 2 Apr 2002, 18:09 (Ref:250136)   #3
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Wow. Patrick Head calling it the way it is.. I never thought I'd see the day. Next thing you know, Ron Dennis will start telling the truth too!
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Old 2 Apr 2002, 19:58 (Ref:250236)   #4
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Mr.Head was correct in this case.Montoya made a mistake and instead of admitting it he decided to moan about another driver.They will fix him up and from the next race onwards he will be more careful in the first few laps of the race.
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Old 2 Apr 2002, 21:12 (Ref:250346)   #5
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PH is basically saying that Montoya's mistake was on the start where he should have slam the door the way the schumacher usually does. I read somewhere that PH went a little bit far in saying that "Montoya should not treat a prick like a gentleman". I will verify this version since it is in an spanish site. I he said that then he was right....LOL
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Old 2 Apr 2002, 21:44 (Ref:250368)   #6
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There is another good one about what PH said:
"Next time he has an incident he should take Schumacher out of the race. That is a gurantied ticked for a restart"....LOL
That again is in spanish. I don't think PH speaks spanish so I have to confirm in the British tabloids....LOL
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Old 2 Apr 2002, 22:00 (Ref:250387)   #7
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huh?

Who made Patrick Head God?

So if he says planet Earth is rectangular in shape, therefore it is?

Don't mean to be rude here, but to each his own.
His opinion is as good as Juan's - that's my opinion.
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Old 2 Apr 2002, 22:00 (Ref:250389)   #8
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I think your sources are a little questionable BB. Even if those were PH's thoughts, I doubt the media would hear them.

Look, I've been defending Michael all week because it was'nt his fault. Patric is calling it how it is. A small mistake. And thats all it was.

As pointed out in other threads, ALL drivers make mistakes, and IMO, it is another sign of Montoya's desire to succeed.

He made a mistake, and guess what, he'll make some more. As will Michael, Ralf, Rubins, JV, DC and whoever else you support.

We are now watching the start of a fantastic era in F1.
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Old 2 Apr 2002, 22:28 (Ref:250415)   #9
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As pointed out in other threads, ALL drivers make mistakes, and IMO, it is another sign of Montoya's desire to succeed.

He made a mistake, and guess what, he'll make some more. As will Michael, Ralf, Rubins, JV, DC and whoever else you support.

We are now watching the start of a fantastic era in F1.


Well said Wrex.
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Old 2 Apr 2002, 22:34 (Ref:250420)   #10
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We are now watching the start of a fantastic era in F1.
I whole heartily agree with you on that one.
and it is very exciting indeed.
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Who made Patrick Head God?

So if he says planet Earth is rectangular in shape, therefore it is?

Don't mean to be rude here, but to each his own.
His opinion is as good as Juan's - that's my opinion.
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Old 2 Apr 2002, 23:16 (Ref:250440)   #12
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sorry rolley eyes,
I just came from my accountant, tax time in the US and my blood preassure is a bit high,
and come to think of it, the earth is kind of rectangular shape lately . . . .
It's OK Valve, I'll survive the day . .. .
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Old 2 Apr 2002, 23:30 (Ref:250448)   #13
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WHAT THE LAST THREE SAID!!!!!!
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sorry rolley eyes,
I just came from my accountant, tax time in the US and my blood preassure is a bit high,
and come to think of it, the earth is kind of rectangular shape lately . . . .




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Old 3 Apr 2002, 01:13 (Ref:250491)   #15
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Who made Patrick Head God?

As the co-owner and shareholder of Williams F1 - plus the Technical Director, and Frank's trusted old friend - Patrick has "DA POWER".

If he says jump - Juan Pablo has to say "How High"
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Old 3 Apr 2002, 03:21 (Ref:250524)   #16
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To get away from the theatrics, let's look at this in a calm manner. I think that Patrick will have to get Montoya to check the video out slowly, and then come to terms that JPM did make a mistake, and that if JPM had been a little more patient, he would have won.
In my opinion, JPM could have easily avoided the slight coming together. If he drives with a bit more cool, he will win the championship. But cool and calm is the way to go. Maybe he should have a good long chat with Alain Prost.
It is my view that JPM is the fastest man on teh track right now, but he needs to keep it together.

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Old 3 Apr 2002, 03:50 (Ref:250537)   #17
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"JPM did make a mistake,"

Valve, please explain this to me. Schumacher makes a violent, unpredictable swerve almost the entire width of the track and collects Montoya. How is this Montoya's fault? If his mistake was to trust Schumacher not to try to kill him, then i will agree it was a mistake.

Not only was Schumacher's swerve illegal because it was the first of two moves, it was also illegal under "manuvers liable to hinder other compeditors" and "more than one change of direction" (which is what schumacher did when he moved back to his right). It was also illegal under the rule that "The same penalty shall be applied to drivers who swing from one side of the track to the other in order to prevent other competitors from overtaking." or "Any obstructive manoeuvre...is prohibited." or "any other abnormal change of direction"

So, how do you find fault in the guy who DID NOT break the rules?
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Old 3 Apr 2002, 04:25 (Ref:250555)   #18
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Montoya clipped the back of Schumachers Ferrari BEFORE he himself moved to his right and Schumacher moved to cover the line. In other words, Montoya suckered himself even before Schumacher made his move to the right. Schumacher blocked Montoya once by moving to his left which he was fully entitled to do. Montoya tried to duck around and play peek-a-boo with Schumacher but his wing already touched the rear tyre of the Ferrari before either of them moved to their right.

Your entire argument therefore - is based on on Incorrect data Doc.

Please watch the replay before you come out here and run your mouth.

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"JPM did make a mistake,"

Valve, please explain this to me. Schumacher makes a violent, unpredictable swerve almost the entire width of the track and collects Montoya. How is this Montoya's fault?
I just checked my tape using freeze frame, frame by frame as well as on normal speed many times. This is how I saw the incident:
Montoya moves to the left and MSch moves over to the left to block him, leaving only 1/2 a car width, no room to overtake on te inside. MSch then moves back to the middle of the track to take the next corner, and he moves less than 1 car width to his right. At the same time Montoya swerves violently to his right behind MSch, clipping his front wing on the rear of MSch's car. I suspect that by going into the slipstream of the Ferrari, MOntoya's car went slightly faster than he realised.
You will note that Patrick Head thinks that it was MOntoya's fault also. In this particular case, I don't see it as MSch's fault.
Maybe if you watched your video again using freeze frame, and watch it frame by frame, we could then discuss the incident again.
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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Mania

"Schumacher blocked Montoya once by moving to his left which he was fully entitled to do."

He is NOT. Produce the rule which states this or stop telling a fairy tale. this is a lie that has been told so many times that everyone believes it. go to the FIA sitre and produce this rule from the FIA rules. You can't do it. it doesn't exist.


"Your entire argument therefore - is based on on Incorrect data Doc."

no, i just exposed yours as based on a lie. the big lie that swerving is legal. check the rules.



"Please watch the replay before you come out here and run your mouth"

check the rules before you run yours.
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Old 3 Apr 2002, 04:32 (Ref:250562)   #21
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Mania, I just checked my tape frame by frame, Montoya hit MSch as he (MOntoya) was swerving back to his right. The wing came off just as Montoya was almost 3/4 outside the right of MSch's car.
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Montoya moves to the left and MSch moves over to the left to block him, leaving only 1/2 a car width, no room to overtake on te inside. MSch then moves back to the middle of the track to take the next corner, "

which is a second move, which everyone agrees is illegal.




"Maybe if you watched your video again using freeze frame, and watch it frame by frame, we could then discuss the incident again.'

What am I looking for besides schumacher illegally swerving TWICE?
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Mania, I just checked my tape frame by frame, Montoya hit MSch as he (MOntoya) was swerving back to his right. The wing came off just as Montoya was almost 3/4 outside the right of MSch's car.
from the in car camera on Montoya's car, it looked like the contact may have been when Juan was forced almost into the grass. The wing merely held on until he was moving to the right. Since the camera angles changed in the first corner, I was not sure if they collided in the first two turns. Reports say there was no collision until the straight.

Still, schumacher made a move to the left, then right. Everyone agrees that two moves is illegal. Even one is illegal under the rules.
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OK, I just checked my video frame by frame once more. The contact was made when the left front wheel of Montoya's car was in line with the right rear wheel of hte Ferrari. This was when the first small triangular piece of carbon fibre shot up behind hte Ferrari.

MSch moving to his left was the first move, where he blocked JPM on the inside. JPM started to move to his right at the same time as MSch moved back to the middle to take the corner, but while MSch's move back to the middle was relatively slow sideways, JPM's move was quite violent.
The point is, Austin, JPM clipped the rear of MSch's car. Maybe you could watch your video and tell me where I am wrong.
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where you are wrong is that the swerving was illegal and you are blaming the guy who did not break the rules.
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