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16 Feb 2004, 17:33 (Ref:876000)
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Possible American team????
Here's a sketchy one....
http://f1.racing-live.com/en/index.html Chip Ganassi has considered setting up a Formula 1 team. "Some days I think about it....others I don't." I don't know about you guys but I'd love to see Chip Ganassi in F1....we would welcome any new teams, but Chip Ganassi would be great! And it certainly sounds to me, although a long shot, far more likely than this Red Bull team or whatever. F1 soon should be providing customer chassis for teams starting out and overall F1 may be cheaper in a few years, so it's certainly a possibility isn't it? We can only hope! *puts hands together and prays* |
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16 Feb 2004, 17:48 (Ref:876012)
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Gut instinct says this will not happen.
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16 Feb 2004, 18:03 (Ref:876031)
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Won't happen.
I would love to see a Gurney F1 effort though! BRING BACK THE GURNEY EAGLE! |
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16 Feb 2004, 18:05 (Ref:876032)
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I fear that's even less likely....
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16 Feb 2004, 18:43 (Ref:876069)
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Id like to see Chip in Europe in F1 ...then i might have some chance of getting my pen back that he nicked of me at Rockingham in 2001 ...
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16 Feb 2004, 18:49 (Ref:876077)
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The most 'realistic' possible contender we've heard for some time. Certainly Gannassi has the pedigree to put together a championship assault, and probably the backing/backers to do it.
If Bernie E expands the calendar to another USA race, plus Mexico, it may entice a US led team to enter. It would need manufacturer backing in reality - how about a GM/Ganassi entry...? |
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16 Feb 2004, 19:09 (Ref:876094)
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Woah!! Am I psychic or what!!!
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16 Feb 2004, 19:51 (Ref:876125)
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Obviously forgetting that he started out with a top team, ie. Williams...
 Scott Dixon is a loser on anything but an oval, PERIOD. Last edited by ASCII Man; 16 Feb 2004 at 19:52. |
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16 Feb 2004, 20:42 (Ref:876170)
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Only problem being that Ganassi, as far as I am aware, have no history as a constructor, unlike, say Roger Penske or Dan Gurney.
Does Penske still have its car-building operation in Poole? |
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16 Feb 2004, 20:49 (Ref:876176)
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I think Penske does still.
Gurney is out of the business, although he might help out- he does have the windtunnel, and the pull. Penske- he has his hands in a lots of pots, and I wouldn't imagine he'd give it another go, Ganassi is the shark at the moment, and if he did launch an F1 effort who would back him? Daimler chrysler is busy with MaclarenMercedes, Toyota- well they have their little TTE setup, and Ford is clearly spread thin- i owuld guess Toyota might be interested with Ganassi but the operation is still shaky and clearly in European hands. a Dodge effort as said is vs. Mercedes not gonna happen. adn GM? right- these guys would never do it, besides they'd argue "which" brand would be the engine badge. even though another Cadillac stab would be great... maybe a Ganassi/Panoz/Gforce chassis operation and special engines from Falconer or mercedes. A US led team could never make it, unless they base out of the UK and then is it stilla US team? or just another f1 team struggling with points, victories and Identity.. |
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16 Feb 2004, 21:09 (Ref:876183)
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16 Feb 2004, 21:14 (Ref:876186)
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16 Feb 2004, 21:19 (Ref:876190)
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If customer cars are to be allowed then maybe Chip could run year-old Toyotas.
If not, then maybe he could commission Lola or Dallara or whoever to build him a car - and he could get a supply of Toyota engines. Not that either of these things will actually happen. |
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16 Feb 2004, 21:21 (Ref:876192)
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Don't rule it out! I we do get customer chassis, any number of people could come in, although I would prefer if they built their own chassis after a couple of years like Ron Dennis has suggested recently.
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16 Feb 2004, 21:25 (Ref:876199)
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What are we going to call the team then? You get the funding together and I'll audition the PR girls! |
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16 Feb 2004, 21:27 (Ref:876203)
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We'll call it "Kicking-Knowlesy"!
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16 Feb 2004, 21:29 (Ref:876206)
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ASCII Man/ I was unaware Dixon was such a loser, please take this time to add some weight to your opinion as you feel so strongly about it. I still have not made one yet.
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16 Feb 2004, 21:37 (Ref:876219)
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As much as I think Chip Ganassi is a brilliant team owner, doing F1 is a totally different story. CART, IRL and NASCAR, involve finding the best of existing customer products, top sponsorship money, and good personel for a total package. But these series are not like F1 in most respects. F1 is mostly about building your own package from scratch. If customer cars were available, or a Lola/Dallara/Etc. chassis were available, he could enter. But to be successful, you need to hook up with a manufacturer and build your own concept. Either route, it would take a while to get up to speed, which, as we have seen, can kill teams.
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16 Feb 2004, 21:44 (Ref:876230)
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You don't have to build your own car, you could get Lola or Dallara to build it, as long as it was for your team's exclusive use.
But I agree you'd never be up front unless you had mammoth engineering facilities. |
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16 Feb 2004, 22:06 (Ref:876256)
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I agree Chip would not succeed/(win consistently) without huge manufacturer backing nobody has and no one every will. That is why some forms of American(the land of opportunities) Racing are so great, manufacturer backing is not so crucial. Good hard team work wins races also, American Spirit Racing won in there first season just before going bankrupt. But it was still a great victory for a new team in its first year. When has that happened in F1 if every? Just wondering.
PEACE p.s. I do realize they are two way different types of the same racing but in F1 it somtimes takes a Toyota/Jaguar situation to realise precisely how competitive F1 is,and how much money it does take to succeed. |
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16 Feb 2004, 22:17 (Ref:876273)
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16 Feb 2004, 22:28 (Ref:876286)
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As much as I'd love to see this happen, I'm just not sure it will.
F1 takes a different kind of committment. Chip and his team would have to set-up shop in Europe, and live, eat, and breath F1 all year round. This couldn't be some kind of part-time set-up, it would take committed work on everyones part, and a huge investment, that I'm not sure can be put together. One only has to look at Michael Andretti's half-hearted committment to F1, to know it doesn't work, and he was just the driver, imagine a whole team and company! God, I'd love to see it happen, but its got to be done right, or it would just be embarrassing... |
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17 Feb 2004, 04:29 (Ref:876515)
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Floyd Ganassi is a ****** simply put. He sucks on Toyota's teat in other series and lacks the capabilities to build his own chassis.
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17 Feb 2004, 04:32 (Ref:876516)
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Wolf might have done it in 1977 but that was the DFV 'kit-car' era, still one of the greatest times in F1. The beginning of the new millenium is a different ball game.
Regarding Dixon being a loser on anything but ovals... He won a national FVee championship at 13 yrs old in his first season out of Karts. This he followed up with a national FF tile in class 2 cars and the year after that the National title in class 1 cars. A season in Australias version of F3000 followed and in his second season, at 16-17 years old he won the National title in those. The following year he ran Indy Lights and led rookie of the year standings all season till the last race and the Following year took the title. There are no ovals in NZ and no active sealed ovals in Australia. |
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17 Feb 2004, 05:05 (Ref:876531)
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Chip is a jerk much like the F1 bosses so he'd fit right in... Privateers are a dying bread. Unless Hyundai or VW wants to put in serious money, there is no way that anyone can really get into F1. $200M is now the enterance fee for the privalige of beating Minardi. That is serious money and as Jaguar and BAR have proven, it gaurentees nothing.
Dixon is good at keeping his foot planted and turning the wheel, how does that translate to F1? Besides that he had one good race in two years of CART and this causes him to be heralded as a future F1 driver? Last edited by Snrub; 17 Feb 2004 at 05:09. |
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