How quickly would an Audi R8 lap the Nordschleife?

[BSchneiderFan]

Any guesses?

[Flat12-Aircool]

Just buy yourself a copy of Gran Turismo 4 and find out for yourself.

[jross427]

i guessing anywhere from 5:30 to 5:50 from my times from GT4

[cmk]

I've not played Gran Tourismo 4, but from what I remember of the original GT the physics weren't exactly grounded in reality.

Some estimate could doubtless be derived from a comparison between some other semi-comprable car and an R8 on a given track (or several), and a known laptime for the other car on the Nordschleife. A lot of the places where 956s ran have changed in config since then so that might be hard. Maybe look at Radical laptimes from Silverstone or Donington, compare to an R8's time there and then look at Radical laptimes from the Nurburgring? I think Phil Bennet holds a record there in a street-legal Radical.

[panoz.lmp1]

They would not be faster than DNF. At the 2002 or 2003 24h Nürburgring Frank Biela drove a lap with an R8 on the Nordschleife. At many places it looks like that the chassis touches the ground more than the tires ... and he droves not very fast.
And i´m not sure wheather the R8 sruvice the lot of fast bumps.

[cybersdorf]

Ah but that half lap would be a fast one!!

[BSchneiderFan]

I was watching Derek Bell's lap of the Nordschleife in his Porsche 956 last night, and I was struck again by just how bumpy the track was. Bell mentioned several times in the commentary how severe it was, especially in a ground-effect car. I suppose an R8 would find it tough - but it would be spectacular finding out, wouldn't it?

[jhansen]

GT4 is not the best comparison. However, I have found that if I run an R8 on the hardest tires I can set comparable times in the game on real world tracks. The softer tires in the game are a joke and set very unrealistic lap times. The hardest compound tires are comparable to real world qualifiers.

I to wonder if an R8 could handle the bumps of the Ring. But is it much bumpier than Sebring? Surely the car can be set up to handle bumps.

[Russfeld]

I reckon WRC should do a special stage on the Nurburgring

[jhansen]

That would be sweet.

[panoz.lmp1]

The Nordschleife is often used for national german rallyes. Mostly the part Bergwerk-Karrusell-(Steilstrecke)-Brünnchen-Pflanzgarten and the gravel roads through the eifel forrest

[Flat12-Aircool]

Originally Posted by cmk

I've not played Gran Tourismo 4, but from what I remember of the original GT the physics weren't exactly grounded in reality.

Whilst still not ideal, GT4's physics are noticably better than all previous GT games.

Putting physics to one side it's still a superb game, and any Sports Car fan should want to own a copy just for La Sarthe 1 & 2 circuits alone.

[courageous]

In 2001 the Audi's fastest laps in the ALMS 2001 series were on average 10.76 seconds faster than the BMW M3 V8, this was 12.365% faster.
The BMW's fastest race lap at the ring was 8:32.062 & a lap 12.365% faster than that would be 7:28.747.

Of course, this is just one comparison & I'm sure it would change if you did more research (but I can't be botherd)

Data taken from ALMS & 24hr-rennen website, laps are directly comparable (ie either both set in quals or both in race)

[panoz.lmp1]

The "Bellof record for history" was "only" on the Nordschleife because at this time (1983) the Grand Prix track was build and the old Südschleife removed.
The 24h are on the complete "ring".

But i guess that an AUDI R8 is slower than the Bellof lap because current prototypes are not build for tracks like the Nordschleife. Sadly Bellof died ... after all iread about him: He would smile and test the R8 on the Nordschleife ;-)

[cmk]

Originally Posted by Flat12-Aircool

Putting physics to one side it's still a superb game, and any Sports Car fan should want to own a copy just for La Sarthe 1 & 2 circuits alone.

Perhaps, but I find mods for any number of PC games (F1C, GTR, rFactor to come) provide me with the essential sportscar experience!

[tommy84]

i guess a r8 would make it to quiddelbacher höhe or schwedenkreuz not further.

after having seen the cars flip at very unspectacular humps i think the mighty jumps at the ring would be a perfect ramp

drivers report quiddelbacher höhe is now even more "jumpy" that it was before the 2005 reworks

[Nivola]

Stefan would of tried to do a 6 min flat in the porsche and maybe not come back like rosemeyer.

That lap of bellofs was it from a standing start or not?? I have hread from somewhere that it was but would like clarification. He was the Ringmaster and should of been formula Ones first german world champion.

[cmk]

Originally Posted by tommy84

i guess a r8 would make it to quiddelbacher höhe or schwedenkreuz not further.

after having seen the cars flip at very unspectacular humps i think the mighty jumps at the ring would be a perfect ramp

drivers report quiddelbacher höhe is now even more "jumpy" that it was before the 2005 reworks

We know it could make it around (since it has) but quite possibly not at "competitive" pace. I think it's only fair to assume we're talking about an R8 which was set up for the 'Ring here. Perhaps a fair question is whether an R8's running gear could be put into "competitive" spec without substantial retrofitting?

[tommy84]

I've seen Frank Biela's lap around the old ring live at the track being at the Wippermann like for every 24hrs.

It was a parade lap to celebrate the car's superb performance at Le Mans.

He was no where near setting a laptime, just cruising around even though at the rather unspectacular Wippermann section he had quite some speed.

But in my eyes you can't drive competitive laps with LMP-cars around the Ring.
Remember Bill Auberlen at Road Atlanta.

At the Schwedenkreuz HJ Stuck in the M3 GTR passed Uwe Alzen on the inside getting at least 20cm air.

Getting around? Yes
Good Laptimes? NO!!!

[cmk]

At the very least, you'd probably have so much wing on them that they'd have a drag coefficient of a barn!