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Old 30 Sep 2004, 10:44 (Ref:1111066)   #1
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Autosport.com report Flav may buy Cosworth

http://www.autosport.com/pc_subscrib...=40029&s=5&p=1

Being a shrewd businessman I'm sure he could make a few $$$ from this deal, but didn't he recently say he doesn't have enough time to buy and run Cosworth...?
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Old 30 Sep 2004, 10:46 (Ref:1111067)   #2
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I heard Flav is leaving Renault soon, so...
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Old 30 Sep 2004, 10:53 (Ref:1111082)   #3
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I hear Cosworth has already been sold to Renault with funding from the European Union... And that Cosworth will be renamed Mecachrome and Flav is supposed to run it.
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Old 30 Sep 2004, 10:55 (Ref:1111085)   #4
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If Cosworth is renamed Mecachrome, I vote we have a whip-round to hire a hit-man.
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Old 30 Sep 2004, 10:56 (Ref:1111086)   #5
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Didn't Flav own the rights to the original Renault V10 and badge it as Mechachrome?

IIRC he caused no end of grief with level of service and costs.

Cosworth would necessarily be different because they design their own engines not prepare already designed units.
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Old 30 Sep 2004, 11:02 (Ref:1111096)   #6
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If it`s Mecacrome then i am the first one to post it in 10-10...
earlier post "jag to be sell"
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Old 30 Sep 2004, 11:33 (Ref:1111128)   #7
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I would have thought Ilmor would be the logical buyer....
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Old 30 Sep 2004, 11:43 (Ref:1111142)   #8
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I would have thought Ilmor would be the logical buyer....
I would have thought that Audi would be a more logical buyer - they already own the rest of the old Cosworth engineering empire, bought from Ford a few years ago. The bit that is now for sale is "just" the racing engines side which Ford retained.

In fact, the more I think about it, the more I think that a purchase of both Cosworth racing engines and Pi (also up for sale in the Ford "showroom") would be a good fit for VAG, even if they don't intend to enter F1 as a constructor.
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Old 30 Sep 2004, 11:51 (Ref:1111154)   #9
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Hmm, I probably should have read this link http://www.grandprix.com/gpe/eng-coswo.html

before making my last post as it tells us that Audi used to own Cosworth Racing Engines and then sold it to Ford. Still, strategies can change and Audi have been more active in Motorsport since that decision was made.
Companies can easily be bought back.....
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Old 30 Sep 2004, 12:57 (Ref:1111238)   #10
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Mechachrome would be involved in Flavio's takeover, but the Cosworth name would be kept.

The idea is to become a proper customer engine supplier - to as many teams as want them.

This could be good - and is what F1 needs to sustain it through any fading of manufacturer interest and to allow new teams in.
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Just like when Renault left previously then. And as such Flav would have a "hold" over a significant part of the grid.

Not good (see B Ecclestone).
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The Cosworth name & badge are owned by VAG & Ford only use it by aggrement & licence from VAG.
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Old 30 Sep 2004, 13:51 (Ref:1111286)   #13
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VAG puchased the COSWORTH empire from VICKERS PLC & VAG did the deal with FORD .
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Ithought Mechachrome had become defunct but then I read today in Autosport that they are a technical partner of Eddie Cheevers IRL Team. Strange one that as Eddie used to run Nissan Infiniti engines (part of Renault) which were serviced by TWR Racing engines (Flavs former partner at BenElton), but now he gets Cosworth built Chevies from Mechachrome (correct?) that used to build Renault F1 engines. Anyone else v confused?
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Old 30 Sep 2004, 14:41 (Ref:1111324)   #15
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Mechachrome are far from being defunct, just have a look at their web site. They now own the old TWR ENGINES bussiness ,and rebuild the COSWORTH tweeked IRL CHEVIES for Cheever.
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I always thought that Flav owned Supertech

IIRC Mechachrome is a company that used to be part of Renault (or Matra). They were the ones that build the engines for Renault in a similar construction now used by mercedes and Illmore. When Renault pulled out they still had the engines and sold them. First as mechachrome and later under the supertech name.
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I'd rather have Flavio having a perceived "hold" over half the grid than not have the engines available and thus see the teams disappear.
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Mechachrome are far from being defunct, just have a look at their web site. They now own the old TWR ENGINES bussiness ,and rebuild the COSWORTH tweeked IRL CHEVIES for Cheever.
So do they own the rights to the old TWR/ARROWS/HART F1 engine used a few years back. Maybe we will see that back next year also, as well as the Minardi F1 engines (old cossies?) Thanks for clearing that up by the way. Supertech was Flavs marketing name for his holding company and Mechachrome did the work?
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Cosworth doesn't just tweak the IRL Chevy engine. They designed and built it and even if it has Chevrolet on the cam covers an IRL mechanic tells me it has FORD stamped on it at the base of the block...!
The assumption here seems to be that a private firm can afford to design, develop, build, sell and service a competitive F1 engine at a price independent teams can afford. Eerrr ...no they can't and that is where the idea of Briatore to the rescue is simply fanciful thinking...
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Ithought Mechachrome had become defunct but then I read today in Autosport that they are a technical partner of Eddie Cheevers IRL Team. Strange one that as Eddie used to run Nissan Infiniti engines (part of Renault) which were serviced by TWR Racing engines (Flavs former partner at BenElton), but now he gets Cosworth built Chevies from Mechachrome (correct?) that used to build Renault F1 engines. Anyone else v confused?
So as you can see this is all inter-twined: Renault/Nissan-Infiniti, Flavio Briatore, Mecachrome, Cosworth, Eddie Cheever, and... Red Bull, which is Cheever's IRL team sponsor AND the supposed new buyer of Jaguar F1...
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Ithought Mechachrome had become defunct but then I read today in Autosport that they are a technical partner of Eddie Cheevers IRL Team. Strange one that as Eddie used to run Nissan Infiniti engines (part of Renault) which were serviced by TWR Racing engines (Flavs former partner at BenElton), but now he gets Cosworth built Chevies from Mechachrome (correct?) that used to build Renault F1 engines. Anyone else v confused?
And they say that politics makes for strange bedfellows...

Curiouser and curiouser, I say.
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