That engine thing again (merged)

Marbot · 17 Jul 2006, 01:13 (Ref:1657885)

Possibly more interesting than the race (sorry,if you haven't seen it yet) were the statements issued by the GPMA,Renault and the FIA.

GPMAhttp://www.f1racing.net/en/news.php?newsID=124423

Renault http://www.f1racing.net/en/news.php?newsID=124462

FIA http://www.f1racing.net/en/news.php?newsID=124501

P.S. The first sentence of the FIA item is quite funny if you have ever watched "Allo,Allo".

Marbot · 17 Jul 2006, 11:41 (Ref:1658116)

Here's the story.http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpa...s_art_id=28736

Pingguest · 17 Jul 2006, 11:59 (Ref:1658123)

Wait a minute. From next year we won't have tyre development. And looks like we won't have any engine development any more as well. So, only the aerodynamics will provide a chance to improve during the season...

Marbot · 17 Jul 2006, 12:22 (Ref:1658153)

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Originally Posted by Pingguest

Wait a minute. From next year we won't have tyre development. And looks like we won't have any engine development any more as well. So, only the aerodynamics will provide a chance to improve during the season...

Of course!

Honda haven't spent £25 million on a new wind tunnel for nothing you know.And as we all know,aerodynamics,as far as road cars and motorsport are concerned,is the new Rock and Roll.

elspethhardie · 17 Jul 2006, 12:59 (Ref:1658181)

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Originally Posted by martyn bott

P.S. The first sentence of the FIA item is quite funny if you have ever watched "Allo,Allo".

I was hoping it would be " I was ****ing past the door"

SoftBatch · 17 Jul 2006, 15:41 (Ref:1658315)

In 2009 Aerodynamics will be regulated further allowing only 2 changes for the season.

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After the start of the first Event of the Championship no team will be permitted to make more than two changes to the shape of the external bodywork. Minor modifications to overcome specific problems, such as enlargement of engine cooling apertures, will be permitted provided it is clear that the change is insignificant and restricted to the stated purpose.

MikeBz · 17 Jul 2006, 16:30 (Ref:1658349)

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Originally Posted by SoftBatch

In 2009 Aerodynamics will be regulated further allowing only 2 changes for the season.

Great! So with basically no significant changes allowed to the cars over the season the pecking order will be established at the start of the season and there will be virtually no scope for it to change.

Marbot · 17 Jul 2006, 16:52 (Ref:1658372)

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Originally Posted by MikeBz

Great! So with basically no significant changes allowed to the cars over the season the pecking order will be established at the start of the season and there will be virtually no scope for it to change.

Ah..but..err...look on the bright side,you'll only need to watch the first race.

Marbot · 29 Jul 2006, 15:29 (Ref:1667175)

Seems like the time for talking is at an end.http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?PO_ID=36820

Marbot · 29 Jul 2006, 15:54 (Ref:1667189)

More here.http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpa...s_art_id=28826

TRuss · 29 Jul 2006, 16:20 (Ref:1667204)

This is retarded. I feel like I only watch F1 out of habbit these days. I don't particularly care anymore. Open wheel racing might as well be declared dead.

I gotta say it's a little sad for me. F1 is what drew me into motorsport to start with, and now it doesn't even interest me anymore. Each year I think; "Maybe they'll get it right next year." Only to have my hopes perrenially dashed by Max Mosely. Why won't he go away!? Now he has just dashed hopes for about the next four seasons in one fell swoop. Why can't he just ruin one season at a time like the good ole days.

Pingguest · 29 Jul 2006, 16:58 (Ref:1667223)

So, Formula 1 won't be the pennacle of motorracing any more by 2008. This might be the end of Formula 1 on the long term.

The regulation is introduced to 'help' the poor, small teams and engine manufacture(s). But at this moment the Cosworth engine can't last the required two race weekends. And this won't change, because any development is banned. So, no team would like to have Cosworth engines by 2008.

Marbot · 29 Jul 2006, 19:19 (Ref:1667288)

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Originally Posted by Pingguest

So, no team would like to have Cosworth engines by 2008.

Or any engine for that matter (they were homologated in June remember).And so the 19,000rpm limit looks to be on the cards doesn't it.Should have kept the V10's with a rev limit,at least the sound would be sweeter.

CATMAN · 29 Jul 2006, 20:08 (Ref:1667320)

The teams spend millions on motorhomes and travel and marketing etc yet Mad Max still wants them to save money on development. Drivers flit around in private choppers and jets etc yet mad max wants F1 to show its green credentials.
Mad Max's developments is in reverse and it's about time the old boy took his bus pass and headed to the old folks home

Marbot · 29 Jul 2006, 20:28 (Ref:1667331)

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Originally Posted by CATMAN

The teams spend millions on motorhomes and travel and marketing etc yet Mad Max still wants them to save money on development. Drivers flit around in private choppers and jets etc yet mad max wants F1 to show its green credentials.
Mad Max's developments is in reverse and it's about time the old boy took his bus pass and headed to the old folks home

The public don't see the drivers in their helicopters or jets or whatever.But they do see them driving around on a Sunday afternoon in cars that probably do about 4 mpg.Along comes a fuel crisis (one has been predicted by the way) and suddenly F1 is a scapegoat.Max is trying to get the teams to be more efficient,he knows that escalating power and development will play into the hands of any government looking for a scapegoat.If F1 is seen to be trying to be "Green" it will stand a better chance of escaping a possible complete ban.Which almost happened in 73 IIRC.

CATMAN · 29 Jul 2006, 21:57 (Ref:1667421)

The public are not dumb and with media hype Joe and Janet Public are well aware of the hidden costs and wastage.
Mad Max's drivel will not fool Joe or Janet and he is doing F1 no good.

Marbot · 7 Aug 2006, 16:17 (Ref:1676725)

Sorry to bring this old thing up again,but they've actually got it sorted! http://www.crash.net/news_view~t~FIA...~id~135185.htm

And officially.http://www.fia.com/mediacentre/Press...070806-01.html

Marbot · 7 Aug 2006, 17:23 (Ref:1676795)

It seems that peace has finally broken out.....for now.

http://www.f1racing.net/en/news.php?newsID=126902

Marbot · 7 Aug 2006, 19:23 (Ref:1676913)

It's typical isn't it! We have upteen threads about which driver is going to which team in 2007.But nobody seems to give a **** about that big chunk of alloy sitting behind him.

Spritle · 7 Aug 2006, 20:19 (Ref:1676962)

We could very well be looking at three of the most boring, predictable seasons in recent memory. Spec tires, frozen engines and limited aero changes = if you suck at the beginning of the season, you suck all year!

Even with past Ferrari domination, there was hope that other teams could develop their car and catch up like Ferrari is doing this year. If this was 2007 Alonso would be WDC with no chance in hell of anyone else making a go of it.

I'm sorry but this is what makes it exciting to me, technology, independence, and development. I can't believe that they are going to dumb down F1 to this level. With JPM going to NASCAR, JV going somewhere or home, and a MS retirement coming soon I think the old boy is really going to impact overall attendance in years to come with these ridiculous ideas. It will take F1 teams ten years to recoup all the money they have expended in the last few years in the name of cost reduction.

Max seems hell-bent on killing this thing...

Marbot · 7 Aug 2006, 20:22 (Ref:1676970)

hmmm......not quite the response i was expecting.

Matski · 7 Aug 2006, 20:53 (Ref:1677016)

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Originally Posted by martyn bott

It's typical isn't it! We have upteen threads about which driver is going to which team in 2007.But nobody seems to give a **** about that big chunk of alloy sitting behind him.

At this rate it won't be alloy, it'll all be cast iron

freud · 8 Aug 2006, 02:28 (Ref:1677198)

FIA's cost-cutting freeze on engine development is to be enforced from this year's Chinese Grand Prix. That is a year and two races earlier than had originally been planned and represents a relaxation of the FIA's previous position that engines used in 2008 would revert to their specification on 1 June this year.

I must say that this is the worst possible news. I was really hoping the FIA would allow engine development until the end of next season as that would've helped teams that dont really have the edgy engine (like Honda, Toyota and even Mercedes). With this political decision, I foresee the status quo remaining like this for the next two years at least (until those new green-techno engines are introduced in 2009). Ferrari have the best engine right now so they should be on ecstacy. I guess Renault is a distant second. More Ferrari vs. Renault for the next 2 years. Lets hope Honda/Mclaren/Williams/Toyota catch up on chassis/aero so we can have multiple winners during the next few years

What a shame..

Chatters · 8 Aug 2006, 08:07 (Ref:1677351)

http://www.formula1.com/news/4789.html

Hmm.... Interesting.

Edited - please don't post full articles and please give a link, due to copyright issues etc.... Please see "post content" in FAQ. (knowlesy)

Ingsy · 8 Aug 2006, 09:33 (Ref:1677438)

I like the idea of the energy re-use thing. Moslety wrote about it in his F1 Racing column this month, and although it pains me to say it, it made a fair amount of sense.

Thing is, how can they guarantee that all the engines used for the next 2 years will be exactly the same as the the one submitted at the end of the year?

Also, will this money actually be saved, or will it just be spent somewhere else?

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