V8 Supercar/ Champcar Marriage Goes Global & Beyond! (Merged)

pete55 · 20 Oct 2007, 20:29 (Ref:2045605)

According to today's Sunday Mail plans are being drawn up to duplicate the V8 Supercar/Champcar meeting at the Gold Coast as a blueprint to drive the combination into other international markets. The story says that Long Beach maybe another dual event and other places looked at are Cape Town South Africa and in Asia. It also says that this marriage could start as early as 2009. It seems Craig Gore may be behind the move and that Tony Cochrane maybe asked to help set it up.

Just Do It! · 20 Oct 2007, 23:09 (Ref:2045709)

Is the Sunday Mail looked upon as a tabloid?

This is an interesting move that will see no IRL/Champ Car marriage any time soon.

From a V8 Supercar perspective, it raises more questions than it answers. It would be hard to do a joint venture at more than 2 or 3 rounds as NZ is one of the four international rounds.

This will be one to watch with interest, but if TC and Gorey are working together, it clearly has a solid chance!

Matthew Ronke · 20 Oct 2007, 23:19 (Ref:2045713)

A couple of other inteesting articles from the courier mail.

http://www.goldcoast.com.au/article/...oast-indy.html

http://www.goldcoast.com.au/article/...oast-indy.html

72% of fans going to indy for V8 Supercars from Mr Cochrane's research is impressive. That means more people go to indy to watch V8's than head to SA for the Clipsal 500.

blaarg · 21 Oct 2007, 00:29 (Ref:2045742)

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Originally Posted by pete55

According to today's Sunday Mail plans are being drawn up to duplicate the V8 Supercar/Champcar meeting at the Gold Coast as a blueprint to drive the combination into other international markets. The story says that Long Beach maybe another dual event and other places looked at are Cape Town South Africa and in Asia. It also says that this marriage could start as early as 2009. It seems Craig Gore may be behind the move and that Tony Cochrane maybe asked to help set it up.

It makes sense to form this sort of a partnership, something which should've started a couple of years ago.

sizzle · 21 Oct 2007, 00:39 (Ref:2045746)

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Originally Posted by Matthew Ronke

A couple of other inteesting articles from the courier mail.

http://www.goldcoast.com.au/article/...oast-indy.html

http://www.goldcoast.com.au/article/...oast-indy.html

72% of fans going to indy for V8 Supercars from Mr Cochrane's research is impressive. That means more people go to indy to watch V8's than head to SA for the Clipsal 500.

Interesting in as much as they reckon the Townsville deal is stitched up already!

RS500 · 21 Oct 2007, 00:44 (Ref:2045749)

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Originally Posted by pete55

According to today's Sunday Mail plans are being drawn up to duplicate the V8 Supercar/Champcar meeting at the Gold Coast as a blueprint to drive the combination into other international markets. The story says that Long Beach maybe another dual event and other places looked at are Cape Town South Africa and in Asia. It also says that this marriage could start as early as 2009. It seems Craig Gore may be behind the move and that Tony Cochrane maybe asked to help set it up.

doesn't the long beach round already include the ALMS which race on the saturday?

TSR · 21 Oct 2007, 00:53 (Ref:2045753)

It is an intresting story, but really I think that tacking the supertaxi's to the USA be a bad move, as F1 failed over there and F1 is bigger than the supertaxi's will ever be. Plus the yanks just love the NASCAR to much,and I can not see them tacking to the supertaxi's.

But time will tell, is it just another PR stunt by the Blac Wiggle.

D.R.T. · 21 Oct 2007, 01:42 (Ref:2045767)

A thread of Speedtv.com forums suggested (rumour) ChampCar was looking to join V8's as a double header for Bahrain.

mountainstar · 21 Oct 2007, 02:19 (Ref:2045777)

Remember TC visiting the Assen champcar race of all places to talk with champcar officials.

Actually I think the V8's would be hit here. A lot of American fans are starting to hear of it now that Ambrose is racing in Nascar. The Pontiac G8 will be hitting dealers soon and the Orion Falcon is looking likely.

Robert Ryan · 21 Oct 2007, 03:37 (Ref:2045806)

This appeared in todays Sun Herald (Sydney) page 69.

Chucky · 21 Oct 2007, 03:49 (Ref:2045810)

Well that's the least dopiest of all the "lets take V8's overseas" ideas.

TSR · 21 Oct 2007, 03:54 (Ref:2045811)

What happen to all the other post on this topic, I had posted and now it's gone.

Robert Ryan · 21 Oct 2007, 03:59 (Ref:2045813)

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USA be a bad move, as F1 failed over there and F1 is bigger than the supertaxi's will ever be

F1 are openwheelers. V8Supercars are sedans and American are partial to sedan racing.

Matt · 21 Oct 2007, 04:15 (Ref:2045816)

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It is an intresting story, but really I think that tacking the supertaxi's to the USA be a bad move, as F1 failed over there and F1 is bigger than the supertaxi's will ever be. Plus the yanks just love the NASCAR to much,and I can not see them tacking to the supertaxi's.

But time will tell, is it just another PR stunt by the Blac Wiggle.

Except F1 is boring, processional racing, while the Supercars feature some good old, door-to-door racing.

James63 · 21 Oct 2007, 04:26 (Ref:2045822)

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Except F1 is boring, processional racing, while the Supercars feature some good old, door-to-door racing.

When?

**GTRMagic** · 21 Oct 2007, 05:08 (Ref:2045825)

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When?

Last 12 laps of Bathurst 2007

Raglanparade · 21 Oct 2007, 05:22 (Ref:2045828)

Why dont they bring the Champ Cars to Bathurst??

TSR · 21 Oct 2007, 05:22 (Ref:2045829)

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Except F1 is boring, processional racing, while the Supercars feature some good old, door-to-door racing.

Do not know what series you are watching Matt

Robert Ryan · 21 Oct 2007, 06:51 (Ref:2045858)

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Do not know what series you are watching Matt

Matt TSR is similar to the "I hate Taxicab racing", "NASCRAP" posters in the US.

Pro Racer · 21 Oct 2007, 07:43 (Ref:2045881)

In concrete junges like INDY, Clipsal, etc it is like a boxing match, so that most probably would follow in the US on their street circuits.

D.R.T. · 21 Oct 2007, 12:36 (Ref:2046059)

Door to door racing though, I mean for 2 of the 3 Gold coast races this weekend they followed each other and for the last one, they crashed into each other.

GreaseMonkey99 · 21 Oct 2007, 21:18 (Ref:2046911)

The merger will never happen anyways. They would never be able to get through the politics of such a venture

**GTRMagic** · 21 Oct 2007, 22:11 (Ref:2047034)

Depends if SEL sell their stake in VESA to Mr Kalkoven or not

Robert Ryan · 21 Oct 2007, 23:05 (Ref:2047164)

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[Depends if SEL sell their stake in VESA to Mr Kalkoven or not

My take on this that Kalkoven who has been keeping CCWS afloat ,is about to bail out as his business ventures elsewhere are not going that well( he is facing a massive lawsuit in the US). Craig Gore and Cochrane will takeover the running of a merged organisation.

Matthew Ronke · 21 Oct 2007, 23:56 (Ref:2047228)

So who underwrites the CCWS or does it suddenly turn around into a profit making venture. Kalkoven is valued over $1b US Gore at approx $40M Aus.

From memory the yearly operating loses of CCWS would be a significant portion of Mr Gore accumulated wealth.

If Kalkvoen is bailing out it needs a miraculous turnaround or someone else with deep pockets.