2009 Points - Using the old system...

**gomick** · 13 Sep 2009, 22:32 (Ref:2540049)

Just thought it would be interesting to see how things turned out if there was no "chase" in place

Bit of mental arithmatic to do, but, we should get through

Points after 26 of 36...

1. Tony Stewart - 3806
2. Jeff Gordon - 3627
3. Jimmie Johnson - 3534
4. Denny Hamlin - 3491
5. Kurt Busch - 3322
6. Mark Martin - 3291
7. Carl Edwards - 3280
8. Kasey Kahne - 3280
9. Ryan Newman - 3272
10. Juan Montoya - 3251
11. Greg Biffle - 3249
12. Brian Vickers - 3203

13. Kyle Busch - 3195
14. Matt Kenseth - 3165
15. Clint Bowyer - 3059
16. David Reutimann - 3048
17. Marcos Ambrose - 2830
18. Jeff Burton - 2738
19. Joey Logano - 2705
20. Casey Mears - 2639

fieldodreams79 · 13 Sep 2009, 23:00 (Ref:2540064)

while we are at it, someone needs to post who've won the last cups under the old system. someone has been tracking this one for sure.

i never really cared caused it don't really matter.

**gomick** · 13 Sep 2009, 23:49 (Ref:2540088)

Same here, nonetheless, interesting to see...

MJ_N_09 · 14 Sep 2009, 01:08 (Ref:2540119)

My opinion on this whole chase thing is that there should at least be another championship given out either for being the points leader at the end of race 26, or being the points leader after Homestead under the old system.

Guess Tony Stewart wins both.

Knowlesy · 14 Sep 2009, 03:54 (Ref:2540168)

Why? The drivers drive to the system they are given.

If there was no Chase, Stewart may have been less successful thus far as people would take more risks.

fieldodreams79 · 14 Sep 2009, 11:48 (Ref:2540371)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Knowlesy

Why? The drivers drive to the system they are given.

If there was no Chase, Stewart may have been less successful thus far as people would take more risks.

i agree, but still would be interesting to see....

and i don't see this thread going far without info on seasons past

jab · 14 Sep 2009, 15:10 (Ref:2540511)

the champs with the old system in the Chase years:

Year	Old System Champ	Chase Champ
2004	Jeff Gordon	Kurt Busch
2005	Tony Stewart	Tony Stewart
2006	Jimmie Johnson	Jimmie Johnson
2007	Jeff Gordon	Jimmie Johnson
2008	Carl Edwards	Jimmie Johnson

Standings:

2004
2005
2006
2007
2008

On a similar note, ESPN did some articles last year on how each championship would've panned out had The Chase been used since 1975

1975-1979
1980-1984
1985-1989
1990-1994
1995-1999
2000-2003

Would've left a very interesting list of champions:

Year	Actual Champ	Chase Champ
1975	Richard Petty	Richard Petty
1976	Cale Yarborough	Cale Yarborough
1977	Cale Yarborough	Cale Yarborough
1978	Cale Yarborough	Cale Yarborough
1979	Richard Petty	Richard Petty
1980	Dale Earnhardt	Cale Yarborough
1981	Darrell Waltrip	Darrell Waltrip
1982	Darrell Waltrip	Darrell Waltrip
1983	Bobby Allison	Darrell Waltrip
1984	Terry Labonte	Harry Gant
1985	Darrell Waltrip	Darrell Waltrip
1986	Dale Earnhardt	Dale Earnhardt
1987	Dale Earnhardt	Dale Earnhardt
1988	Bill Elliott	Bill Elliott
1989	Rusty Wallace	Rusty Wallace
1990	Dale Earnhardt	Dale Earnhardt
1991	Dale Earnhardt	Harry Gant
1992	Alan Kulwicki	Kyle Petty
1993	Dale Earnhardt	Rusty Wallace
1994	Dale Earnhardt	Dale Earnhardt
1995	Jeff Gordon	Dale Earnhardt
1996	Terry Labonte	Jeff Gordon
1997	Jeff Gordon	Dale Jarrett
1998	Jeff Gordon	Jeff Gordon
1999	Dale Jarrett	Bobby Labonte
2000	Bobby Labonte	Bobby Labonte
2001	Jeff Gordon	Sterling Marlin
2002	Tony Stewart	Kurt Busch
2003	Matt Kenseth	Jimmie Johnson

JHamilton · 14 Sep 2009, 15:38 (Ref:2540525)

Thanks for that! ^ Very interesting. Kyle Petty with a Cup? Handsome Harry a two time champ and Terry Labonte would have lost both of his.

**gomick** · 14 Sep 2009, 22:17 (Ref:2540812)

Very interesting, Sterling Marlin gets a win too, Dale Snr (5) & #24 only 2...

fieldodreams79 · 15 Sep 2009, 00:52 (Ref:2540878)

2 time Wiston Cup Champion Harry Gant has a very handsome sound to it.

pretty interesting to think about....thanks, jab!

MJ_N_09 · 15 Sep 2009, 15:41 (Ref:2541304)

No comments on 2001 champ Sterling Marlin? That would've been interesting to see, because remember who was blamed AND threatened for....a certain incident?

I guess we would be discussing Jeff's "drive for 7" right now if it was still the old points system. Not to mention our defending champ, Carl Edwards. Will he go back to back?

fieldodreams79 · 15 Sep 2009, 22:03 (Ref:2541573)

i saw sterling but did not pay attention to what year it was...would have been very crazy.

even still, a;; drivers in the list are of high quality in their own rights.

just noticed also that mark martin is not listed. time to change that, mark!

**gomick** · 16 Sep 2009, 09:24 (Ref:2541778)

Quote:

Originally Posted by gomick

Very interesting, Sterling Marlin gets a win too, Dale Snr (5) & #24 only 2...

Twas mentioned

MJ_N_09 · 16 Sep 2009, 23:50 (Ref:2542488)

well oops.

VilleneuveTracy · 20 Sep 2009, 00:35 (Ref:2544119)

Quote:

Originally Posted by gomick

Very interesting, Sterling Marlin gets a win too, Dale Snr (5) & #24 only 2...

That is because under the old system the points leader usually had such a big cushion that he raced conservatively during the final portion of the season. This is why I don't place much stock in looking at how previous years would have turned out had their been a chase simply by looking at the final ten races. If there was a chase the points leaders would have raced more aggressively during the final races. There is no way, for instance, if the Chase existed in 2001 that Marlin would have beaten Gordon. All that said looking at past seasons this way is interesting and no season is more interesting than 2002. Why? Kurt Busch would have been 12th in points at Richmond but won the Chase so that is an example of why no one can truly be counted out because anyone can get hot and win the Chase.

**gomick** · 21 Sep 2009, 05:39 (Ref:2544676)

1 week later & Kyle is in the chase & Kahne is out...

After 27 of 36...

Tony Stewart - 3932
Jeff Gordon - 3745
Jimmie Johnson - 3699
Denny Hamlin - 3666
Mark Martin - 3481
Kurt Busch - 3477
Juan Montoya - 3426
Ryan Newman - 3423
Carl Edwards - 3397
Greg Biffle - 3387
Kyle Busch - 3350
Brian Vickers - 3333

Kasey Kahne - 3329
Matt Kenseth - 3259
Clint Bowyer - 3193
David Reutimann - 3175
Marcos Ambrose - 2938
Jeff Burton - 2853
Joey Logano - 2805
Casey Mears - 2763

fieldodreams79 · 21 Sep 2009, 20:47 (Ref:2545440)

if we want to get really technical here, there is no "chase" in the old system so there is no in and out.

sorry gomick, splitting hairs here!

**gomick** · 21 Sep 2009, 22:48 (Ref:2545548)

no probs - its all bs this topic, but, i got time so why not

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