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New Licence and Towing Regs for 2013
I don't fully understand this from the DVLA or DfT or whatever it is as in one line it says if you hold a current B or BE licence your entitlement stays the same, the next line says if you want to tow heavy trailers with a car from 19th January you'll have to take a test. It doesn't seem all that clear to me as they quote trailers weighing 3500kg but don't say whether that's the unladen or gross mass.
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Nope. I'm just as confused.
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....they must use the same regulation writer as the MSA
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New driving licence rules will come into force on 19 January 2013, for drivers of cars and small vehicles (category B and BE) to tow trailers. The new rules will apply if you pass your test after that date. Find out how these changes could affect you. so in other words it wont effect us that already have licences |
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As Graham says - this only applies to anyone passing their test after the 19/1/13.
So it doesn't apply to anyone who has a full licence before that date, i.e. all of us on here! |
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I think the main reasoning behind the new regs is to simplify the trailer can't weigh more than the car and the whole lot cant be more than 3500kg GTW rule which is quite complicated, It's just that back dating it makes things as clear as mud. |
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What on earth is a 'heavier trailer' anyway - once over 750kg there doesn't appear to be any further division or definition. I've heard of the caravanners' 85% rule but don't think that is law either. In passing, I still use a non-card licence, it has B, C1, D1, B+E, C1E, D1E and F K L N P on it - will need to make sure they all get carried across if I renew it! |
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David, the 3500kg max train weight and trailer weighing more than the car is if you only have a B licence so if you have BE it doesn't make any difference.
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Ah right, thanks for that; so more-or-less only applies to people passing their test since 1997...
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My pink paper A D E "grandad" licence from 1964 covers most things up to 7.5 tons but it runs out in 2017
Some of my mates applied for a photo licence and although they passed a motor bike test years ago they weren't issued with the bike entitlement on the new licence and had to take the test again, so look out. |
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Milady was most incensed when renewing her licence at 70 that they omitted her bike licence category - she passed her bike test in the early 50s and had a 350cc BSA - but she's kept a copy of her paper licence and argued with DVLA who did re-instate it......similarly she went for a medical (akin to an HGV medical) to get her licence to drive over 3.5 tonne retained.
Isn't it fascinating that despite DVLA's huge computer database, they somehow haven't been able to retain the information on what categories you are licenced to drive......? More to the point, if they haven't got this information, how can they prove who does have the appropriate licences? |
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I was talking to someone else today who said that his father had been sent a licence with certain categories missing, the DVLA asked him to produce his original pass slip from 1959, and blow me he did ! but was then told that "they couldn't authenticate it" as it didn't show up on the system. Wa****rs !!!! |
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Now I am totally confused lol. I didn't think I could tow anything and that's what most people have told me. I'm 23 and passed my test in 2007 I have B,B1,f,k,p on my licence. Would i be allowed to tow on my licence?
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You can tow a trailer that is no more than 750kg. You can also tow a trailer that has a gross weight of not more than the towing vehicle and providing the total gross train weight doesn't exceed 3500kg, this is plated weights not what you are actually driving/carrying. I think
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On the car and trailer there are (should be) VIN plates which give axle weights and gross and train weights, these are the plates you have to take notice of for the licence laws as opposed to what you actually carry. So for instance if you car can only tow a maximum of 1500kg your trailer can only be plated to that. In the same scenario you couldn't tow a trailer that is plated at 2000kg but only load it to 1500kg max. That's how I understand it anyway.
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I would have thought that there are loads of builders/horse box people out there that are now deemed illegal and don't know about it ! Having been pulled for being "overweight" by the law in the past i am aware believe me ! |
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I don't think that tha Pug 205 diesel that I use with a tow bar for "shunting" trailers/race boxes around the yard/workshop would be legal on the road !
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Just going through a trailer downsizing process because of this. TBH its a total farce - somewhat akin to be pulled for speeding at 50mph because your car can do 100mph!!!
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