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View Poll Results: The changes to Le Mans | |||
The switch from Group C to the 3.5 Litre Category | 3 | 20.00% | |
The deletion of the infamous Maison Blanche section | 1 | 6.67% | |
The deletion of the traditional Le mans start | 0 | 0% | |
The introduction of the chicanes at Mulsanne | 11 | 73.33% | |
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29 Oct 2001, 18:39 (Ref:167030) | #1 | ||
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The changes to Le Mans
If you had to choose between the worst loved things that happened at Le mans which changed it forever. Which would you choose?
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29 Oct 2001, 20:02 (Ref:167098) | #2 | ||
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Well I may not be the most informed person but how about, 'All of the above'?
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29 Oct 2001, 21:15 (Ref:167147) | #3 | ||
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the deletion of Maison Blanche section and the adding of the chicanes
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29 Oct 2001, 22:39 (Ref:167171) | #4 | ||
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What about the ridiculous chicane before Dunlop - done for 'bikes not cars?
And was White House really infamous, any more than the old pits? |
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30 Oct 2001, 07:28 (Ref:167277) | #5 | ||
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Gotta be the chicanes. I will never, ever forget the first time I experienced the sight and sound of the cars at full chat along the Mulsanne while peering over the fences at the Restaurant des 24 Heures (at night!).
(Agree with Kpy about the Dunlop Chicane though. Maison Blanche was really before my time, so I'm not so qualified to comment, but any change for the sake of it is to be deplored). |
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30 Oct 2001, 08:16 (Ref:167293) | #6 | ||
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With you all the way Aysedasi, Henri Pescarolo said that putting the chicanes in was sacrilege. You can get a very good idea about White House from the film Le Mans - or just stroll down to the corner (now just the public road again) next time you're there.
Who's up for the Historic 24 hrs on the full circuit 21/22 Sept 2002 ? |
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30 Oct 2001, 09:51 (Ref:167320) | #7 | ||
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I think the addition of those chicanes. unfortuantly my first year at Le Mans was 1990! So I never got to see it before...
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30 Oct 2001, 14:33 (Ref:167414) | #8 | ||
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The introduction of the chicanes at Mulsanne, is the worst thing they have done at Le Mans. It would be nice to see the current cars going flat out down the stright.
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30 Oct 2001, 19:20 (Ref:167515) | #9 | ||
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I would say, none of the above.
The worst thing to happen is the flattening of the hump. |
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30 Oct 2001, 19:28 (Ref:167520) | #10 | |||
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30 Oct 2001, 19:53 (Ref:167546) | #11 | ||
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My Dad says the chicanes have ruined the kink.
I remember him telling me that it would take about 4/5 laps before you realised it was flat. First time through you'd think, **** thats a corner!! Then you'd shift down, Then just brake lightly, After that it was flat and when you'd done it once you'd always do it. One of the best moments in racing, I only just saw what maison blanche was like from an onboard 1956 footage a moment ago and it looked quite good. |
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30 Oct 2001, 19:58 (Ref:167549) | #12 | ||
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Why go to the race?
You see more on tv. Unless the race is on an oval, I'll stay at home. |
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30 Oct 2001, 19:59 (Ref:167550) | #13 | |||
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30 Oct 2001, 20:05 (Ref:167557) | #14 | ||
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i think the trick was to turn in early anyway, but at night i'm not sure, i'll try and find out.
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30 Oct 2001, 20:07 (Ref:167559) | #15 | |||
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No, dear couch potato it's much better on TV. You stay right there and watch the whole thing from the comfort of your own home. |
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30 Oct 2001, 20:09 (Ref:167562) | #16 | |||
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30 Oct 2001, 21:08 (Ref:167596) | #18 | ||
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30 Oct 2001, 21:11 (Ref:167599) | #19 | ||
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Isn't there a party atmosphere which adds to the feeling of a spectacle. I'm gonna go one year, mark my words!!
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30 Oct 2001, 21:29 (Ref:167619) | #20 | ||
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Sorry I'm late back on this, Kpy - just got back from taking nipper to his canoeing lesson - what a parental hero I am!
The simple answer is - if you don't go, you'll never know just what you're missing. If you never saw the full Mulsanne, or the proper Dunlop Curve, or the old Maison Blanche, equally, I guess, you'll never know what you missed. (Although you're right of course, Kpy, there's some great Maison Blanche footage (and footage of Mulsanne and Dunlop as well) in the Le Mans film). Far be it from me to denigrate oval racing (never seen an oval race, so you're just as entitled to say to me "you'll never know what you're missing...."), but Paulzinho is absolutely right, the atmosphere of the race and the circuit, particularly during the night (as I tend to say, over and over again - boring, boring....), really is something else. You will never appreciate that atmosphere, no matter how much of the race is televised, unless you make "the pilgrimage". Last edited by Aysedasi; 30 Oct 2001 at 21:33. |
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30 Oct 2001, 21:44 (Ref:167631) | #21 | ||
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By the way (I don't need any excuse to talk about Le Mans - as most of you will have realised already!), no-one has commented on Geva's other alternative of the switch from Group C to 3.5 litre.
Initially, of course, this was a disaster, resulting in a smaller than usual grid in '91 and a pathetic turn-out in '92. Others may have their views, but there seemed to be only two justifications for the change:- 1. To encourage other manufacturers to make 3.5 litre engines, so these would in turn become available in F1, and 2. To hand the playing field over to Peugeot. Porsche, of course, had the upper hand with the 956 and 962 in the 80's until first Tom Walkinshaw and Jaguar turned up and then Sauber with Mercedes. (I think the ACO still record the '89 "Mercedes" vistory as a Swiss Sauber success - something which certainly amuses me!). It was a great shame that the big showdown in '88 never happened because of Niedzwicz's accident in practice, but the Mercs (sorry, Saubers) blew Jaguar and the semi-works Joest 962's away in '89. Funnily enough, I heartily enjoyed the '92 and '93 races, because I thought the Peugeots and, even more so, the Toyota TS010s were fantastic cars. Nevertheless, I still don't think the switch from Group C to 3.5 litre was really justifiable. Having said all this, the ACO's desperate situation in '92 led to the arrival of real GTs in '93, and look what has happened to GTs since then. The real answer to the worst thing to happen at Le Mans (in my 16 year's experience) was in 1992, 1995 and 2001. Bloody rain!! |
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30 Oct 2001, 23:26 (Ref:167691) | #24 | ||
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Sorry for the double post - computer playing up
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31 Oct 2001, 14:51 (Ref:167908) | #25 | ||
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