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Current Records - Can they go any lower?
While thumbing through 'Uphill Racers' the other day, I started considering the steps that Hill records have taken over the years.
With the progress achieved in lowering Hill Climb records recently, what prospects for next Year(2007)? If we take the current mark @ Shelsley 23.75 by Martin Groves, does anyone believe that can go lower still and by how much, or is there a quantum leap in the Car Technology req'd? What about the Other Hills? One further thought, at what point will it be physically and practically Impossible to go any Lower? And will we reach that within Shelsley's Second Century? ![]() Seasons Greetings Regards Jim Lamb |
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![]() ![]() The magic sub 25s took a long time. 23.75 is phenomenal. A little bird tells me that there may be resurfacing done, so who knows? ![]() |
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All things are possible and I would have thought it possible to break the Shelsley Record however I suspect we are now getting to the point where we are talking hundredths of a second being clipped off!
Other venues may well see their records lowered by tenths but the whole record breaking thing is slowing down. There again the weather plays a huge part in things and not just on the day. At Doune and wiscombe they need several days of dry weather for the track to be in tip-top shape and ready for records to be broken. The question of resurfacing always gets raised and if a venue is completely resurfaced as opposed to being patched then it could possibly lead to another bout of record breaking. I suspect we will all just have to turn up in expectation! ![]() |
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[QUOTE=Steve Wilkinson] At Doune and wiscombe they need several days of dry weather for the track to be in tip-top shape and ready for records to be broken.
QUOTE] Not always the case, Martin's Doune 36.48 was done when there had been rain overnight, i think there were some damp patches on the track somewhere (although the racing line i;m sure was Bone dry) |
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Someone do the maths and tell me what the average speed at shelsley would be for a sub 20? (maybe 22nd century cars?) |
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The timekeepers at Shelsley record quite a lot of interesting sector time data from which one can construct fantasy runs.
So at Shelsley in August the best 'relay' run was driven by Moran/Dean/Groves/Ranson/Ranson/Moran and lasted 23.07s. Paul |
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Averages
So would that make 'Ranson' the fastest average sector driver to ever go up Shelsley???
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Why not Moran ?
Paul what are the sections where the split times are taken ? On the subject of tarmac I should not think that any advice will be requested from one of the other tracks. |
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The fastest 'best' time up Shelsley is Martin at 23.56.
The sectors are between Start - 64ft - Kennel - Speed Trap - Esses Split - Top Ess - Finish. Paul |
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This is one we discuss often, and the simple answer is that as soon as we decide there's really no more to come is the moment someone will make us look silly. It took years to beat 26:08 at Shelsley, then a few more for the 25, after which the next whole second really hasn't taken long at all.
The split relay is fascinating, partly because of what is therefore theoretically possible, and partly because it probably isn't as a fastest run in one sector probably compromises the next. No surprise to me that the Speed Trap to Esses Split is Paul's domain or that Kennels to the Speed trap is Martin's. We have to remember that the 64ft time doesn't include Willem's rocket launches. My feeling is that the ultimate time will be decided not by physics, but by the rule makers who will eventually decide that there is such a thing as too fast. I already shudder at the thought of what could happen with the right sort of mechanical failure at Ess Approach, Orchard, Hollow or Cedar Straight. |
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HOWEVER if there were to be a BIG accident at high speed, as suggested earlier, then the MSA may well be forced to take action. It would probably take the form of an initial blanket ban for ALL hillclimb venues of the Over 2000cc Racing and Sports Libre cars (I am aware that some venues are currently banned from running racing cars of over 1600cc). Then the dilemma occurs as to whether or not the venues can be made safe enough to once again run cars over 2000cc. I suspect the costs for most venues would be prohibitive and therefore the championship would have to adopt the two litre limit. In the meantime I would suggest that this specific subject be closed as I have found that there are many mischievous posters who will attempt to highjack a thread for their own minority view. ![]() |
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I calculate it at around 102mph
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Shelsley is reputedly 1000 yards long. So in general the average speed for a time 't' in seconds is (1000*3600)/(1760*t). Or 2045/t.
So 102mph for a 20s run and 86 for 23.75. Only 87 for a 23.5 though... Paul |
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Got to agree there. I love the 'anything goes' approach. The sheer variety of cars makes the day interesting.
Logic suggests that there has to be a minimum possible - you're not going to get a 1 sec climb, for instance, but then again the current times seemed a pipe dream only a few years ago, and the record runs show no sign of running out of steam. Not just the big class, either - I'm constantly amazed at the exploits of such as Robert Kenrick and Ash Mason knocking lumps off class records in cars that would seem to have run out of development potential 20 years ago. |
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If you look at harewood over the last year
2005 - the record dropped below 50s for the long course with 2 drivers taking the record - Groves taking the record that day... roll on one year and during practice several of the guys where getting times under 50s & Groves beating the record... next day Scott lopped 3/4 of a second off the record do at least we may well see next year with the same conditions the record possible sub49 |
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Why do I have this sneaking feeling that Rescue will be wearing cuff-links next season? And pink trousers, if the dress code is to be fully enforced.
Wandering left field of the topic, when was the last time the record was set by someone wearing cuff-links? It must have happened. |
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