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2011 Star Mazda / F2000 / Skip Barber season
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January 3 - Sebring January 4 - Sebring January 12 - Homestead January 13 - Homestead (doubleheader) 2011 USF2000 National Championship schedule: March 17-19 - Sebring (ALMS) March 26-27 - St. Pete (IndyCar) May 28-29 - Indianapolis (IndyCar) June 18-19 - Milwaukee (IndyCar) July 30-31 - Autobahn (Mazda) August 5-7 - Mid-Ohio (IndyCar / ALMS) August 19-21 - Road America (ALMS) September 4 - Baltimore (IndyCar / ALMS) All non-ovals are doubleheaders. In comparison with 2010, St. Pete, Indianapolis, Autobahn and Road America are kept; Mid-Ohio was added; Iowa was replaced for Milwaukee (that's good, both would have been even better); New Jersey was replaced by Baltimore (NJMP owners won't be happy); and Road Atlanta was replaced by Sebring. |
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I read a tweet today on Auto 123 which said that the Star Mazda series was not expected to be part of the "Road to Indy" program. True or false, no idea.
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I don't want to make a mistake, but I think that Indianapolis race will be run at O'Reilly Raceway Park...is it true?
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Gomick, we think alike. Don't know if it is rumor or fact, though.
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Probably true - its a manufacturer thing (Mazda v Honda) i think...
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So I really don't know what purpose it serves out there. Certainly with indycar stagnating and dying off, there isn't really much need for these ladder series. Quite a few talented drivers have come through star mazda among other feeder series and most are lost out there in the cosmos, with indycar seats taken up by an elder woman backed by a dictator, comic book cover models, unknown euro pay drivers that raced in some obscure off shoot euro formula series and various other hangers on and sundry. No room for any talent. Price is written on the wall, you pay to play. |
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Lets say you are Mr. Rich Dad and you want junior to be an indycar driver. So you pay $400,000 for a few years in Formula Ford, $700,000 for Star Mazda and then $1.5 million for 2 years in indy lights. Add in some other expenses and you are in for $3 million going up the ladder. Now it's time to go race indycar but instead of being hired on merit you are asked for a $5 million dollar check. So okay let's go find the sponsorship. Hmmm... well because almost nobody watches indycar anymore the media value of sponsorship of a whole car is about a million bucks. Those numbers don't add up so no sponsorship, no drive, no career in indycar. Don't believe me? Look at the current indycar teams, some of which are dying and where their sponsors come from and who has real sponsorship of $$$ value paying full rate. What does make sense is to take that $3 million and start on the nascar ladder. At least then talent gets noticed, sponsorship can be found, prize money exists and so on. I've been to some Star Mazda testing and I can only think of unless you just like spending wads of money on junior formula cars, it's really a pointless endeavor. It's preparing you for what? a career in the ALMS, apparently. |
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Gee Star, that kinda undermines your whole crappy view of IndyCar racing.
Your tally is that IndyCar is broken, the U.S. ladder series is broken, and the European ladder series is broken. I guess we know what the rest of your record sounds like. |
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"Quite a few talented drivers have come through star mazda among other feeder series..." That's rich, particularly when followed by:
"... unknown euro pay drivers that raced in some obscure off shoot euro formula series..." So I guess if you moved back to Paris, everybody would be watching Conor Daly testing a GP3 car and calling him a racer from some obscure off shoot American formula series? Relatively speaking, every open wheel series that isn't F1 or Indycar is an obscure offshoot. Every one of them produces talented drivers, regardless of who pays for the seat or where they come from. The Star Mazda deal, I wouldn't be getting too worked up over it yet. It could just be a rumor. If Bernard is listening to Robin Miller and instead wants to divert funding to promote USAC drivers, I will be asking claus to loan me a few asterisks. |
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Conor Daly is just another example of a driver looking at other options, especially in Europe because it is pretty pointless to continue on the "road to indy". As Derek Daly said they visited with just about every indycar team and the answer back was "where's the check?" or just plain indifference. 15 years ago good drivers were hired on merit, not any more. The euro ladder series has been disrupted in recent years. Out there now besides GP2 and F3, you have WSR by Renault, Auto GP, Formula 2, the recently defunct Formula Master, GP3, etc. I follow all these series and have never heard of some of the drivers turning up in indycar mostly because they finish down the order over in Euro land. Stars? More like they have a check they can bring. |
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16 Oct 2010, 14:33 (Ref:2775783) | #17 | ||
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Skip Barber. Each national champion gets a USF2000 seat the next season.
Skip Barber to Star Mazda is too big a step, moreso if drivers are encouraged to stay just one year in each. |
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NASCAR driver Mark Martin's #5 Chevy will have Quaker State sponsorship in 2011 - thats a good old CART/Indy Car sponsor there that never came back to the series....
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And the Indy Lights they took part in was basically F3000. AKA much better than anything we've had in the States, including Atlantics and Super Vee.
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I'm not saying that drivers can't be good in one year, just that it would be better if they stayed in each step two full seasons.
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Randy Bernard did a one hour interview tonight. Relevant to this thread:
He mentioned the award for the F2000 winner to fund a Star Mazda ride, but no Star Mazda award to get the champion into lights. Slightly sour tone to the comment, in my opinion. Bernard is trying to raise funding for a "scholarship" to be awarded to the Indy Lights champion to help get an IndyCar ride. Vernay will get a check, if Bernard finds the money. That would be the gold ring. Conor Daly will be testing a lights car. A "scholarship" will be awarded to the USAC driver who wins the combined championship of Sprint/ Silver Crown/ Midget series. The money will be dedicated to put either Brian Clauson or Levy Jones in an IndyLights seat, with a well-established team, for all of the oval races in the Lights 2011 season. "Experts" will select the team for whoever wins the scholarship. There will also be commercials and online videos to promote the program. These steps are being taken to regain a foothold with the "Americana" audience, and promote American drivers. [Chalk one up for Robin Miller.] |
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Well I don't know jack about feeder series, but Bernard doesn't seem to know all the details either.
This says Conor Daley scored $1.5M in valuable cash and prizes for winning the championship: http://www.nationalspeedsportnews.co...y-lights-test/ |
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So now I know a little jack, and Conor Daly isn't getting enough of it.
And why Bernard doesn't talk about the Mazda subsidy in glowing terms. |
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