2011 ACO series combined calendar; a work in progress

HORNDAWG · 2 Sep 2010, 21:09 (Ref:2753815)

2011 combined calendar
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Sebring WDWT Feb. 9th -10th ALMS
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Test Paul Ricard (was) March - 7th / 8th LMS A week earlier?
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Sebring 12hr Sat. March -19th ALMS (ILMC)
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Paul Ricard (was) April 11th LMS First weekend of April?
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Long Beach Sat. April -16th ALMS
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Le Mans test day ???? April / May
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Spa Franco champs (was) May 9th LMS (ILMC) either the first weekend or middle of month depending on LM test day?
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Le Mans Sat.-Sun. June -11th/12th (ILMC double pts.)
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Lime Rock Sat. July-9th ALMS
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Algarve (was) July 17th LMS
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Mosport Sun. July -24th ALMS
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Mid Ohio Sat. Aug.-6th ALMS
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Road America Sun. Aug.-21st ALMS
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Hungaroring (was) August 22nd LMS August 13th?
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Baltimore Sat. Sept.-3rd ALMS
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Silverstone (was) September 12th LMS (ILMC) Sept. 10th into the night race?
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Laguna Seca Sat. Sept.-17th ALMS
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Petit Sat. Oct.-1st ALMS (ILMC)
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Zhuhai (was) November 7th AsLMS (ILMC)
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Fuji 6hr (not yet set) AsLMS (ILMC)

L.P.

Speed-King · 2 Sep 2010, 21:16 (Ref:2753818)

I don't think we'll see the same tracks as this year on the LMS-schedule, Spa and Silverstone are probably safe, but the rest is quite uncertain.

There was an article on E-I recently which said, that LMS would go back to its roots i.e. the classic endurance circuits.

HORNDAWG · 2 Sep 2010, 21:19 (Ref:2753821)

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Originally Posted by Speed-King

I don't think we'll see the same tracks as this year on the LMS-schedule, Spa and Silverstone are probably safe, but the rest is quite uncertain.

There was an article on E-I recently which said, that LMS would go back to its roots i.e. the classic endurance circuits.

I concur. Last years LMS dates and venues are place holders, per se, until things become more clear.

L.P.

pederb · 2 Sep 2010, 22:19 (Ref:2753851)

Good stuff LP

Cheers

**Bentley03** · 2 Sep 2010, 23:51 (Ref:2753881)

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Originally Posted by Speed-King

I don't think we'll see the same tracks as this year on the LMS-schedule, Spa and Silverstone are probably safe, but the rest is quite uncertain.

There was an article on E-I recently which said, that LMS would go back to its roots i.e. the classic endurance circuits.

I believe the Nurburgring and Barcelona are both likely to reappear on the calendar...........can't remember where I heard/read it though. Monza's the circuit I'd most like to see reinstated.

HORNDAWG · 3 Sep 2010, 02:14 (Ref:2753903)

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Originally Posted by Bentley03

I believe the Nurburgring and Barcelona are both likely to reappear on the calendar...........can't remember where I heard/read it though. Monza's the circuit I'd most like to see reinstated.

I do believe someone was being 'Tight Lipped' about it.

L.P.

Deleted · 3 Sep 2010, 11:53 (Ref:2754001)

For sure the Paul Ricard isn't going to disappear from LMS calendar? Apart from the obvious double points -farce and the lack of spectator seat capacity, it was pretty well received and exciting event.

Down F0rce · 3 Sep 2010, 11:56 (Ref:2754004)

I too would love to see Monza appear on the calendar again, held in the summer. I might need a Plan B for endurance sportscars this year...

carsten66 · 3 Sep 2010, 12:12 (Ref:2754008)

It would be great to see the Nürburgring back on the schedule of the LMS... but I'm not shure how all the things turn out in the long term. The "Ring" still is in big trouble and is struggling with huge financial problems. Simply by megalomania and lack of know how by the former management and the involved politicians. Without the last minute 330 Mill EUR guaranty of the state (the formation creates a scandal too) they were about to close down. It's a real shame...

Last year the LMS lost the race (incuring a loss by the event and lack of sponsorship) in favor of the FIA GT races by with the hope of larger attendance... and up to now I don't see any change by the LMS concerning this matter...

I don't know the term of contract or if it is possible to run both series (conflict of the dates)...

Anyway, we will see soon...

Speed-King · 3 Sep 2010, 12:57 (Ref:2754024)

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Originally Posted by carsten66

It would be great to see the Nürburgring back on the schedule of the LMS... but I'm not shure how all the things turn out in the long term. The "Ring" still is in big trouble and is struggling with huge financial problems. Simply by megalomania and lack of know how by the former management and the involved politicians. Without the last minute 330 Mill EUR guaranty of the state (the formation creates a scandal too) they were about to close down. It's a real shame...

While you are right on both accounts, I don't think the above is necessarily connected to the part below

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Last year the LMS lost the race (incuring a loss by the event and lack of sponsorship) in favor of the FIA GT races by with the hope of larger attendance... and up to now I don't see any change by the LMS concerning this matter...

As far as I know, the Ring themselves don't organize races, but source that out to the various German auto clubs and their chapters, i.e. the LMS race and now the FIA GT race were organized by the ADAC Nordrhein, who in turn rented the track from the Ring.

I think the LMS would stand a better chance of making a comeback at the Ring if they could become part of another event instead of being a stand alone race. I am not sure about night racing regulations at the Ring, but perhaps they could have a Saturday night race on the DTM-weekend?

Acid09 · 3 Sep 2010, 16:08 (Ref:2754094)

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Originally Posted by Speed-King

I think the LMS would stand a better chance of making a comeback at the Ring if they could become part of another event instead of being a stand alone race. I am not sure about night racing regulations at the Ring, but perhaps they could have a Saturday night race on the DTM-weekend?

I don't think that's a realistic possibility, the DTM has its own string of support series and the series itsel occupies all the pit space etc.

I don't see any room for a 50-car race to be squeezed in there.

HORNDAWG · 3 Sep 2010, 16:24 (Ref:2754104)

So it seems that so far
Spa
Silverstone
For sure as already slated as 2011 ILMC rounds.

With Nurburgring and Barcelona being the leaders as rounds that will be on next years calendar. So that leaves at least one more round to be sussed out.

L.P.

JAG · 3 Sep 2010, 16:26 (Ref:2754110)

Would it not be logical to have a German LMS round in 2011 before becoming an ILMC round in 2012?

According to the Audi PR release for Silverstone the 2008 round (Audi vs Peugeot) attracted 53k spectators, in other years it's been closer to 20k.

With manufactuers backing a German round I would have thought 40k+ spectators would be possible.

pablocomics · 3 Sep 2010, 19:18 (Ref:2754191)

Monza must be there, Nurburgring or Hockenheim must be there and maybe Brno

Motorland would be a good circuit for the LMS too, it´s long enough, it´s a great track and the stands usually are full (80K attendance on the past Renault world Series). And there are a big tradition with sport cars racing on Alcañiz.

manthey · 4 Sep 2010, 14:14 (Ref:2754454)

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Originally Posted by pablocomics

Monza must be there, Nurburgring or Hockenheim must be there and maybe Brno

Motorland would be a good circuit for the LMS too, it´s long enough, it´s a great track and the stands usually are full (80K attendance on the past Renault world Series). And there are a big tradition with sport cars racing on Alcañiz.

I didn't know until your message about Mortland aragon circuit..I just saw on the official site the simulation,wow,is a great circuit! a very long straight too!
I report:
The circuit is 5,345 m long and 12-15 m wide.
It covers an area of 1,320m2 and has a main straight 1,726m long, which makes it an international benchmark for holding aerodynamic trials

pablocomics · 6 Sep 2010, 01:24 (Ref:2754968)

Yep, next motogp race will be on the Motorland

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49xEE...eature=related

NaBUru38 · 7 Sep 2010, 14:19 (Ref:2755719)

Monza shouldn't be missing. It could attract Maserati, Lamborghini or Ferrari into LMP.

The Nürburgring GP course is terrible, even more so for F1 cars and LMPs. Straights are too short, corners are too slow and twisty. Hockenheim was great but now is the best German track for LMPs.

Silverstone can't be held in September, or Americans wouldn't have time to travel across the ocean.

HORNDAWG · 7 Sep 2010, 15:19 (Ref:2755743)

What I find somewhat baffling is that Patrick Peter is waiting for the F-1 schedule to release the LMS schedule!

L.P.

**FIRE** · 7 Sep 2010, 19:58 (Ref:2755891)

A lot of series organizers are doing that.

HORNDAWG · 7 Sep 2010, 20:09 (Ref:2755900)

Why? What relevance does the F-1 schedule have to the LMS, none. No shared events, tv is a joke and a venue would not book both at the same time. He needs to grow a pair and worry about how his schedule melds with the ALMS and should try to coordinate with the ALMS to make sure that both sides are working to create a smooth Sportscar season on both sides of the pond. Especially now that the ILMC intertwines between them.

L.P.

manthey · 8 Sep 2010, 11:23 (Ref:2756121)

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Originally Posted by HORNDAWG

Why? What relevance does the F-1 schedule have to the LMS, none. No shared events, tv is a joke and a venue would not book both at the same time. He needs to grow a pair and worry about how his schedule melds with the ALMS and should try to coordinate with the ALMS to make sure that both sides are working to create a smooth Sportscar season on both sides of the pond. Especially now that the ILMC intertwines between them.

L.P.

maybe to avoid racing the same w-end of f1 or the same country and lost share-sponsors...

HORNDAWG · 8 Sep 2010, 14:56 (Ref:2756214)

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Originally Posted by manthey

maybe to avoid racing the same w-end of f1 or the same country and lost share-sponsors...

What shared sponsors would that be?

L.P.

manthey · 8 Sep 2010, 17:40 (Ref:2756288)

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Originally Posted by HORNDAWG

What shared sponsors would that be?

L.P.

not shared sponsors but share (tv & tickets) and sponsors

chernaudi · 17 Sep 2010, 19:37 (Ref:2761003)

And what of the rumored ALMS race to take place in May of next year. I know it's only a proposal at this stage, but will it be a championship race or will it be a non-points race like the LM24 is to the ALMS? And the rumor also of a big prize money purse for the competitors--shades of the NASCAR Bud Shootout and the Winston/Nextel/Sprint Allstar race? I find that a little odd considering that IMSA has never put up decent prize money for privateer teams (and basically exclude factory teams from race purse and also get very little point fund and contingency money, not that the privateers get a King's ransome from that, either).

Who'll put up the money for such a race? I doubt that Don Panoz would (and he can probably afford it), since he hasn't really directly funded the ALMS since 2006--and this guy's the owner of IMSA and the ALMS! Audi coming back might nudge IMSA into doing this race, but that still means that someone's gotta put up the purse, and would Audi be disqualified from that if they come back as a full factory team?

Also, where would a good venue be for this race if it comes off?

HORNDAWG · 17 Sep 2010, 21:05 (Ref:2761029)

There is no rumoured race pre Le Mans! S. Atherton mentioned it might be looked into, nothing to indicate that it would ever happen, but was being contemplated. At this point, a non-starter.

L.P.