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30 Sep 2012, 14:46 (Ref:3144158) | #1 | |
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More controversy surrounding 2014 engines
I was looking for some more info on the new engines that come into force in 2014, and I found this:
http://www.pitpass.com/47448-New-F1-...ays-Ecclestone Is this Bernie trying to direct attention away from him, or is this something to cause concern for the new engines? |
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I doubt whether Pitpass is a reliable source.
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There's a bit about this in the 'Lewis to Merc' thread. No smoke without fire, they say.
The circuit promoters are certainly against the change (noise, of the right type, sells tickets), BE is certainy against it, Montezemolo is certainly against it, and Jean Todt.....What exactly is it that Jean Todt does? Last edited by Marbot; 30 Sep 2012 at 15:23. |
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My personal opinion on the engines is that it is a good thing, but only if there is engine development. Having said this, the close season that we have had thanks to a level(ish) playing field will be most likely eroded. |
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30 Sep 2012, 16:04 (Ref:3144186) | #6 | ||
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Remember the fuss when the new 1.5-litre formula came out in 1961? Nobody wanted it (apart from Ferrari), we all thought it would be dull and boring, wrong noise, wrong speeds etc..
It turned out to be one of the most interesting periods of all - mind you, Ferrari wanted that one. If they're against this one, then their weight of opinion may well see it abandoned before it's started. |
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Really? They're worried about the sound?! BS. They let EBD's go, and they've turned the revs down 3K RPM and they sound like **** now compared to when they first came in.
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Bring back the days of Ferrari V12s, turning over at a lazy 12-14,000 rpm. Bliss! The now defunct SuperLeague series has got a whole load of 4.2 litre V12 engines sitting around doing nothing. Someone get Bernie to give them a call! Last edited by Marbot; 1 Oct 2012 at 01:23. |
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Regardless of what they eventually do… My first thought is that all of this hand wringing and waffling back and forth just seems so amateurish. I shouldn’t be astonished at the amount self inflicted pain there is in F1, but I am. If they don't move forward how much money has already been spent on R&D for the new engines?
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Deep down, F1 fans are just petrolheads just like all the rest of motorsport people are (except truck racing, obviously). Yes, there are diesel engined racing cars/vehicles here and there, but they are somewhat unloved by the viewing public.
So, a series like F1 has got to be careful about what it feels is relevant to making it acceptable to the fans as well as challenging to the manufacturers supplying the engines. |
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Hopefully now that Superleague is dead, the cars and engines will get turned loose on the market so private individuals can run them. I was never a fan of F1 even moving away from 3.0 liter V10's, so going to 1.6 V6 engines doesn't impress. |
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I went to the WEC at Bahrain last weekend. Got to say that the Audi is some piece of kit. But it makes no noise. It accelerates, it oversteers (a bit), it looks drop dead gorgeous and as a racing fan, I can relate to it. However, what's the point of a silent racing car?
Quite frankly, the FIA should be burning fossil fuels like there's no tomorrow! Let's. Face it, the only people it would upset is the greens and anything faster than a 2cv frightens them anyway. Why pander to a minority at the expense of sport? Note: I realise this is over simplifying but I hope you get, my drift. |
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Unfortunately these are the SOB's that make up so much of local body govt world wide that controls where and when we can play with our toys
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I'm a 75 year old ludite who loves the sound of V12s.
But this seemingly automatic assumption that any change or dimunition of noise wil hurt attendance at F1 races needs a bit of thought. I know a number of people who have attended an F1 GP who will never go back because the sound hurts! The other point is that noise is the major limitation on the sites and format of race tracks. Why continue deliberately maximising the problem when the natural fit for new F1 engines offers both technological relevance and some easing of what many would call the "noise problem?" |
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should we be surprised considering all the other rule changes we have accepted in the name of entertainment...which is just another way of saying lowest common denominator.
thats what they do and its not like we are going to stop watching so how would they know or why would they care. Quote:
F1 should be relevant or at least perceived that way. the vast majority of people (fans or not) believe that there should be either more environmental regulation or at the least want to perceive that things are moving in that direction. Fuel efficiency is the number one concern for car buyers and every brand associated with F1 highlights their positive contributions to environmental causes. im not sure using the turbo's is pandering to the minority. BE considering not using them is not even pandering to their sponsors so that should be an indication of how far from the plot he has strayed. |
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Well the difference for Le Mans is that the Audis (and previously the Peugeots) are the only ones silent as you get a lot of different engine sounds at Le Mans.
But nobody would accept an entire field of silent cars. |
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