It's building up...

MarkG · 26 Oct 2012, 18:58 (Ref:3158160)

to be a real anti-climax.
The two best drivers, Alonso & Hamilton, again beaten to the Championship by the fourth best driver, (Raikkonen being the 3rd) who has the best car, and has had for the last three years. Only tyres (up until recently)have prevented a Red Bull rout this year.

Purist · 26 Oct 2012, 20:45 (Ref:3158207)

I do wish people would stop giving Vettel crap and just chocking it up to it only being the car. He certainly did NOT have the best car out there when he scored his first points, or when he kept it clean and clear in the wet 2008 Italian Grand Prix. He certainly didn't back down from Alonso last year at Monza. And the team still have to tell have, often to no avail, that he might want to not set so many fast laps. He is still very driven, and he shows it, which is certainly worth admiration and respect, especially for a driver who is not as seasoned as several of his prime competitors. He keeps pushing, but does NOT have a reputation for frequently throwing it off the road.

Hamilton has been far more prone to bonehead moves on the whole, and has become rather unpleasant in some respects. He was also just STUPID to lie to the stewards about what happened under that Safety Car in Australia. He's been particularly short with his crew over the radio, and for the last couple years, has come across as kind of whiny and annoying. His rapport with the team has been visibly breaking down for quite some time. He also hasn't had the consistency in his driving, certainly this year, and perhaps somewhat last year also.

Raikkonen is just harder to get a read on. He's not as "in your face" as some of the others, and hasn't run away with any races this year thus far. He does plug along there steadily though, and gets everything he reasonably can out of each race.

For Alonso, i can accept that he has had less than the best equipment in some seasons. However, I also think he has been too single-minded in the wrong ways, and not taken advantage of some good opportunities. He also blew a very good thing at McLaren there in 2007. Singapore 2008 did still more damage. Alonso just hasn't quite put together a full season this year, and admittedly, wasn't helped at Spa or Suzuka. Of course, one should remember that Vettel has had the car break on him twice this year, so the DNF count is about the same. It's a bit amusing to see Massa so hard on Alonso's tail now. I hope this extended challenge from his German rival helps to temper Alonso a bit.

I'm not sure what the story is with Button's inconsistency this year. I think Perez may be the real force at McLaren next year.

Grosjean needs tempering, but he has the raw pace, no question. It's strange though, he was very good in the GT1 Ford (frighteningly so in some cases). It's almost as if this year he's been overestimating the capabilities of F1 cars after being in those other categories for a couple seasons. And before everyone jumps on Grosjean, there were opening lap incidents about which he could have done nothing, practically speaking (Monaco for instance). Besides, for all the crap he's gotten, where the heck is all the ire for the bad moves made by Maldonado and Kobayashi?! I mean, I could understand (though not necessarily agree with) the criticism put on Romain, IF people would be even-handed and extend the same toward Pastor and Kamui.

**Born Racer** · 1 Nov 2012, 23:03 (Ref:3161290)

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Originally Posted by Purist

I do wish people would stop giving Vettel crap and just chocking it up to it only being the car.

With the title slipping away from their darling, Spanish media are now doing this of course, with the word Vettel substituted by Newey now. Pretty funny and the mark of a poor loser.

wnut · 1 Nov 2012, 23:05 (Ref:3161292)

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Originally Posted by Born Racer

With the title slipping away from their darling, Spanish media are now doing this of course, with the word Vettel substituted by Newey now. Pretty funny and the mark of a poor loser.

Wonder how much Ferrari are offering Newey to join them!

Clean out the Vatican and let him move in?

garcon · 3 Nov 2012, 17:31 (Ref:3161948)

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Originally Posted by Born Racer

With the title slipping away from their darling, Spanish media are now doing this of course, with the word Vettel substituted by Newey now. Pretty funny and the mark of a poor loser.

So let me get this straight.

Alonso is a poor loser because of the jingoistic campaigns of the Spanish media?

So does the nonsense spouted by the British media make Hamilton a bad loser?

**Born Racer** · 3 Nov 2012, 17:35 (Ref:3161949)

Okay, get it straight; I didn't say it made Alonso a sore loser, but the Spanish media. I speak Spanish and can say I don't see such jingoistic UK media as widespread as in Spain. Ayesedasi, nice avatar.

Really. I know you love that finger.

**Aysedasi** · 3 Nov 2012, 17:45 (Ref:3161953)

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Originally Posted by Born Racer

Okay, get it straight; I didn't say it made Alonso a sore loser, but the Spanish media. I speak Spanish and can say I don't see such jingoistic UK media as widespread as in Spain. Ayesedasi, nice avatar.

Really. I know you love that finger.

Absolutely, but it works soooo much better as a courgette.......

garcon · 3 Nov 2012, 20:03 (Ref:3162000)

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Originally Posted by Born Racer

Okay, get it straight; I didn't say it made Alonso a sore loser, but the Spanish media. I speak Spanish and can say I don't see such jingoistic UK media as widespread as in Spain.

Just thought I'd give you the chance to clarify a potentially misleading point.

I don't speak Spanish, but I do get the impression their sports media is even worse than ours.

formerf1champ · 26 Oct 2012, 22:50 (Ref:3158260)

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Originally Posted by MarkG

to be a real anti-climax.
The two best drivers, Alonso & Hamilton, again beaten to the Championship by the fourth best driver, (Raikkonen being the 3rd) who has the best car, and has had for the last three years. Only tyres (up until recently)have prevented a Red Bull rout this year.

I would put Raikkonen just behind Alonso and ahead of Hamilton, but this is a quality OP. Well done!

**Bononi** · 26 Oct 2012, 23:11 (Ref:3158265)

Quote:

Originally Posted by MarkG

to be a real anti-climax.
The two best drivers, Alonso & Hamilton, again beaten to the Championship by the fourth best driver, (Raikkonen being the 3rd) who has the best car, and has had for the last three years. Only tyres (up until recently)have prevented a Red Bull rout this year.

Wow, who can stop us from seeing the finger boy doing it again ??

JeremySmith · 26 Oct 2012, 23:36 (Ref:3158270)

I have sold my ticket to our Grand Prix, what's the point................

wnut · 27 Oct 2012, 00:00 (Ref:3158277)

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Originally Posted by JeremySmith

I have sold my ticket to our Grand Prix, what's the point................

Watch a truly great craftsman at work!

Seb Vettel (Fingerman) for WDC!

Marbot · 29 Oct 2012, 14:38 (Ref:3159563)

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Originally Posted by JeremySmith

I have sold my ticket to our Grand Prix, what's the point................

There must have been a 'point' to the 1988 season?

*Jeremy checks avatar*

It's Vettel vs Alonso, and they're in two different cars.

F1 has just become very 'bad' for some.

Mr V · 29 Oct 2012, 15:06 (Ref:3159575)

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Originally Posted by JeremySmith

I have sold my ticket to our Grand Prix, what's the point................

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marbot

There must have been a 'point' to the 1988 season?

*Jeremy checks avatar*

I assume/hope that Jeremy was actually joking !

JeremySmith · 29 Oct 2012, 15:16 (Ref:3159578)

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Originally Posted by Mr V

I assume/hope that Jeremy was actually joking !

I was just joking guys, all in all its been a great season IMHO...

Marbot · 29 Oct 2012, 15:58 (Ref:3159610)

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Originally Posted by Mr V

I assume/hope that Jeremy was actually joking !

I assumed/hoped that he was doing that too. Why on earth would he want to sell his ticket.

Yes, the competition has effectively been narrowed down to just two drivers. Nothing new about that.

chillibowl · 29 Oct 2012, 16:19 (Ref:3159626)

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Originally Posted by Marbot

Nothing new about that.

nothing new with that or nothing wrong with it either imo.

expectations have been raised to high. its old ground but part of that is the fault of the rules and the expectation that each and every GP should be the greatest thing ever.

tbh, im actually surprised more people dont agree with the original poster.

BSchneiderFan · 27 Oct 2012, 00:03 (Ref:3158279)

Quote:

Originally Posted by MarkG

to be a real anti-climax.
The two best drivers, Alonso & Hamilton, again beaten to the Championship by the fourth best driver, (Raikkonen being the 3rd) who has the best car, and has had for the last three years. Only tyres (up until recently)have prevented a Red Bull rout this year.

I assume this is a wind-up/trolling exercise?

QnickFTW · 27 Oct 2012, 11:30 (Ref:3158422)

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Originally Posted by BSchneiderFan

I assume this is a wind-up/trolling exercise?

Im glad some1 has noticed it. Its pretty much drunken football fan talk with a generous splash of trolling, good for a laugh, but substantial discussions are taking place elsewhere in this forum and not in this thread I feel.

JeremySmith · 27 Oct 2012, 14:04 (Ref:3158485)

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Originally Posted by QnickFTW

Im glad some1 has noticed it. Its pretty much drunken football fan talk with a generous splash of trolling, good for a laugh, but substantial discussions are taking place elsewhere in this forum and not in this thread I feel.

We noticed it don't worry...

MarkG · 27 Oct 2012, 14:39 (Ref:3158509)

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Originally Posted by QnickFTW

Im glad some1 has noticed it. Its pretty much drunken football fan talk with a generous splash of trolling, good for a laugh, but substantial discussions are taking place elsewhere in this forum and not in this thread I feel.

wasn't intended to be a windup, just an expression of disappointment, but it's obviously wound up some of you Vettel fanboys. My reaction to that is a bit like I imagine Kimi's would be.
I'll admit I'm biased because I don't think Vettel is a truly great driver.

W.A Trichlorostyrene · 28 Oct 2012, 14:44 (Ref:3159008)

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Originally Posted by MarkG

wasn't intended to be a windup, just an expression of disappointment, but it's obviously wound up some of you Vettel fanboys. My reaction to that is a bit like I imagine Kimi's would be.
I'll admit I'm biased because I don't think Vettel is a truly great driver.

Time for you to switch to one of today's many spec series?

Personally I am not a Vettel/Red Bull fan and I probably never will be, but I have to admit that the best package(driver AND chassis/engine/team/etc) is winning right now, so I can't complain.

When things get too dull(and they've been during the last few races I have to say), I just use the "don't like it/don't watch it" philosophy, and get my racing fix elsewhere. Plenty of other good series around.

**Aysedasi** · 28 Oct 2012, 10:50 (Ref:3158942)

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Originally Posted by BSchneiderFan

I assume this is a wind-up/trolling exercise?

I don't think so - the OP expressed an opinion. Some will agree with him.......

Mr V · 27 Oct 2012, 05:06 (Ref:3158320)

Quote:

Originally Posted by MarkG

to be a real anti-climax.
The two best drivers, Alonso & Hamilton, again beaten to the Championship by the fourth best driver, (Raikkonen being the 3rd) who has the best car, and has had for the last three years. Only tyres (up until recently)have prevented a Red Bull rout this year.

According to the BBCF1 "experts", Vettel is the 8th greatest F1 driver ever in F1, 2 places ahead of Alonso, 7 ahead of Hamilton, Raikkonen doesn't make the top 20. Are they right? Who know's. That's their opinion, just as you have yours. What was that DC said about opinions being like ********s?

formerf1champ · 27 Oct 2012, 08:15 (Ref:3158353)

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Originally Posted by Mr V

According to the BBCF1 "experts",

I like the use of quotation marks.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr V

Vettel is the 8th greatest F1 driver ever in F1, 2 places ahead of Alonso, 7 ahead of Hamilton, Raikkonen doesn't make the top 20. Are they right? Who know's.

I know, and the answer is a resounding "No"!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr V

That's their opinion, just as you have yours. What was that DC said about opinions being like ********s?

Did DC say that to deflect criticisms of his performances?

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