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25 Mar 2013, 05:59 (Ref:3224176) | #1 | ||
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F1 becoming a joke
With team orders mid way through a race, saving fuel and inferior tires not to mention DSR and KERS, Formula One is becoming increasingly nothing to do about who is the fastest driver out on the track winning the race. Drivers have aids now with KERS and DRS to make passing easier for them. No real skill from the driver. Drivers slowing down to preserve fuel and tires so not really racing is it? Team orders meaning hold station so no racing! F1 is quickly becoming entertainment instead of a race. How will this period be viewed twenty years from now. We have the best driver talent on the greed than any time in the history of F1, yet they are not allowed to race and show who really was the best out there that given day. What a joke, says Villenueve, indeed what a joke.
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25 Mar 2013, 07:42 (Ref:3224197) | #2 | ||
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I dont' get all this talk about tyres.
Part of any racing series is to control the consumables you have at your disposal. Fuel is one, tyres are another. Drivers can take a punt, use up all the grip early and then struggle to the pitstop. Or they can take it a bit easier and keep the tyres in the zone. It's up to them. To me that makes things interesting. It's also dependent on driver skill and car setup. |
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And F1 has been entertainment for years. If you want to watch pure racing, then F1 is not the right place to be. |
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25 Mar 2013, 09:21 (Ref:3224235) | #5 | ||
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Mercedes were only saving fuel because they'd cocked up how much they put in - they gambled on it being wetter for longer so they fuelled the cars short of what they'd need for a dry race to save a bit of weight. It just dried up far earlier than they were expecting so they had to start saving fuel very early on in the race. So that's nothing to do with F1 'becoming a joke' that's just one team taking a gamble and it not quite coming off.
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25 Mar 2013, 09:44 (Ref:3224253) | #6 | ||
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Nico had enough fuel. Brawn said ''you can't overtake my number 1 driver''. Nico consented and now Mercedes or maybe just their director is a joke.
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25 Mar 2013, 09:55 (Ref:3224261) | #7 | ||
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F1 wasn't like this back in its heyday of the 90's, when Prost, Senna, Mansell and Patrese went wheel-to-wheel flat out for the whole race.
Except that is not true. It was exactly like today, when plenty of races were partly about who could use their fuel most efficiently. Its not a new thing at all. |
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25 Mar 2013, 10:24 (Ref:3224286) | #8 | ||
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I think DRS needs to be scrapped, or have a re-think. Its become an "automatic pass", which is boring, and its no challenge whatsoever.
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Seeing the two Mercedes cars towing each other along though reminded me of a thought when DRS was first suggested. By virtue of using DRS on alternate cars on alternate laps, did the team gain an advantage? What I mean is, did thet enable both Mercedes cars to go faster over those laps than they would have done without DRS, or was there something else that cancelled out the advantage?
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25 Mar 2013, 11:49 (Ref:3224333) | #11 | |
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Become? It always was. If anything it has improved. It is, though, still dreadful. Especially if we are persisting with these grim tyres.
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25 Mar 2013, 12:27 (Ref:3224361) | #12 | ||
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Ok, here's my views:
Tyres. Much, much better than fuel racing. I don't want to see overtakes in the pitlane. Tyres prevent that from happening. Yes, we have more stops, but we don't see so much strategy surrounding those stops ie. "we'll get him when he pits". At least tyres are something the drivers can actively have an input on. Fuel, not so much. It's just a dial they turn up and down. That was seriously boring. DRS, I agree. I think it needs to be seriously looked at. I think it worked ok in Malaysia, though. At least it gave the guy behind a chance to re-overtake. But still, I think it just needs to be knocked on the head for good. The tyres have re-enabled overtaking. And back to the tyres, look at last year and the year before. Everyone was up in arms because they were 'too unpredictable', then by the end of the season, up in arms again because it was 'too predictable'! Come on, people. Are you not happy that we're seeing teams STRUGGLING to work something out in this day and age? You can't rewind. You can't stick a technology in that's barely been invented and expect teams to take years and years to get up to scratch like aero or engines like back in yesteryear. Technology and research has totally changed. These tyres have thrown a total spanner in the works. I don't care if that was done deliberately or not, that's what's happened and I think it's fantastic. The teams are there to get their heads round something, not just the status quo. /rant over In conclusion, DRS needs to go, because of the tyres. Sorry, one extra thing - Didn't people always want increased braking distances and increased reliance on mechanical grip...? Isn't that essentially what we have now depending on the state of your tyre?!? Selby |
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25 Mar 2013, 12:39 (Ref:3224371) | #13 | ||
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Let's blow it to the ground and build a new one from scratch !!!!!
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Tyres: Some teams are complaining about the tyres because they feel that they are being punished for creating too much downforce, which is wearing out their tyres too prematurely.
For years the FIA, and the teams, have been looking for ways in which to limit downforce. Perhaps they have now found one? DRS: Perhaps it would be better to restrict it to a time limit throughout qualifying and the race? Say, 5 to 10 minutes in total, or whatever. That might give you some very fast qualifying laps, or a better chance to overtake during the race. |
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Couldn't Pirelli be tasked with producing a tyre (specifically rear tyre) with a wider slip angle? That's what I would like to see.
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Even with KERS & DRS, you've got to time the deployment to perfection. You've got to hit the right button with Nomex gloves on while doing way upward of 100mph in an open car. You can't see most of the really important parts of your bodywork which will shatter on the merest contact and probably wreck the race. All that and 4.5 lateral G of braking force alone. There's a reason I'm a struggling fat computer geek and they're multi-millionaire superstars. And the reason is that I can only dream of having the skill and bravery they have in abundance. |
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25 Mar 2013, 15:01 (Ref:3224461) | #19 | ||
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Mind you, who wouldn't watch unicorn racing?
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25 Mar 2013, 15:19 (Ref:3224476) | #20 | ||
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DRS works on some tracks better than others. It seems to be totally unnecessary on tracks like Malaysia which has those two huge straights. On some other tracks the race would be much worse off without it IMO.
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25 Mar 2013, 15:39 (Ref:3224486) | #21 | ||
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I hate DRS. When the broadcast mentions remote control DRS activation zones, it just make me cringe. It's just penelope pitstop magic carpet racing. I don't like that, no. I'm less fussed about the tyres and KERS.
I said it in the other thread, I think they should ban driver-team radio communications. I think that would make strategy calls as the race unfolds very dodgy and lots of fun for us. |
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25 Mar 2013, 15:44 (Ref:3224491) | #22 | |
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The tyres are okay. It is much better having them than going back to the days of the sprint racing and fuel pitstops! "We can't overtake. Don't worry stay close to them and we'll get them in the next pitstop." - Boring!.
As for DRS - well, yes it doesn't sit comfortably with me now. Part of me thinks that just having the tyres would be enough -but however, we are back to the age old problem of "dirty air". On some tracks it sort of makes DRS a necessity. Until the designers can come up with a way of the cars not giving off some much turbulence and being easier to follow then we are stuck with this problem. DRS seems like a sticking plaster for this particular ill, though. |
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In regards to the tyres, I think that tyre preservation is a skill that should be necessary in Formula 1. It is a highly underrated skill, and a hugely important asset for any driver. I don`t think we will see fuel saving on the same scale as Malaysia again for a while. After all, the reason that Lewis had to save fuel was a calculation blunder by the team.
When DRS was conceived, it wasn`t for fans like us who want to see racing at its purest. It was conceived for the casual viewer who might be more likely to watch a Grand Prix if there`s a constant stream of overtaking. On the other hand, I quite like KERS as it can be deployed strategically when needed, such as when defending a position. |
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