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The R18's weren't far off what their times were last year. And with the new Ultra they probably gained back what they lost. So the 3 seconds difference might come down some, but not enough to make them level in Henri's eyes.
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18 Apr 2012, 21:15 (Ref:3061708) | #980 | ||
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A lap at Le Mans takes about 3m30. In that case 4% signify a difference of almost 8 seconds! |
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18 Apr 2012, 21:23 (Ref:3061714) | #981 | |
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Obviously! Which is why he has been vocal about the equivalency.
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18 Apr 2012, 22:05 (Ref:3061738) | #982 | ||
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The HPD's and OAK weren't very far off the Audi pace at Sebring, and were usually well within that 2% window that the ACO give. Problem there is that Audi had the 2011 cars at Sebring, were running with a 15kg BOP penalty, and were probably to an extent sandbagging.
Either the Judd V8 is that far off or something else is off. And we have to question the car--the S102, like the S101, was designed for straightline speed. Maybe a lack of downforce as well as adapting a car designed for the 2008 regs to the 2012 regs wasn't the best way to go. |
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18 Apr 2012, 22:50 (Ref:3061758) | #983 | |
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Nothing in this package is optimal for going head to head with Audi so I'm not really sure what Henri expects to be honest.
I'd be gobsmacked if he came out saying they were on a par or quicker. They've done a fraction of the work of Audi. |
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18 Apr 2012, 23:09 (Ref:3061769) | #984 | |
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Wait. If the car was designed for straight line speed, then Henri saying they lost 2 seconds of the time from the straight line speed, it's most likely down to the engine. In fast tracks with long straights, the other 2012 cars may be down on top speed as well with the holes and reduced power. Around turns is where they will gain their time I presume. But being that the DOME isn't really the type of corner carving car it seems they'll fall back pretty hard from this. Considering the low engine power, then the increased drag.
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18 Apr 2012, 23:21 (Ref:3061775) | #985 | |
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Exactly. For a 2008 car with minimal updates and an engine that apparently tries to escape from under its cover, I think 3 seconds sound pretty good.
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I agree with Simmi. Dome might be in contention for best privateer (or best petrol car, that is, with Toyota weakened), but I'd not bet my money on it. I fear it will be a very tough year for Pescarolo with both his cars. |
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From memory, the HPD engine deal is 3 times more expensive than the Judd. That's over 2 million $, which is more than 50% of what Pescarolo budgets to run a car for 1 year.
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19 Apr 2012, 00:26 (Ref:3061797) | #988 | ||
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Where did ya get that figure from ? Pescarolo screams tight budget , but runs a quality show . I strongly suggest his bedget is substancially bigger than you suggest .
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Henri is lucky to be able to line up the few millions needed - but he's not as lucky as the other P1 teams that can count on benefactors that provide comparatively endless budgets. |
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19 Apr 2012, 17:07 (Ref:3062129) | #991 | ||
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Why doesn't he ditch the AMR-One/Pesca 03 project and just partner with Dome? It seems like it would make sense.
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19 Apr 2012, 18:25 (Ref:3062183) | #992 | ||
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Not at all, IMO. I think Pescarolo will bring hybrid technology in the 03, he said the tub of AMR is prepared for hybrid tech... so Pescarolo want a car that can win, not a car to do the Pole... i think
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19 Apr 2012, 22:00 (Ref:3062304) | #993 | |
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http://endurance-info.com/version2/a...nce-10336.html has a short report of todays test at the Bugatti circuit.
In order to solve the vibration issues, the Judd V8 is installed on silent blocks. They had hoped to do some running on a dry track, but Minassian had to stop to car because of an oil warning light. The cause of this warning turned out to be a failure of a crankshaft bearing, which meant the end of the test session. The article also contains a photo gallery: http://www.endurance-info.com/versio...o.php?page=976 |
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19 Apr 2012, 23:13 (Ref:3062357) | #994 | ||
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Wasnt the LMP2 Dome that Kaneko raced a couple of years ago , also called an S102.5 ?
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Be great to see Dome do it alone ..... with a HPD engine though . That Judd needs big work to bring it up to industry standards I feel . |
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20 Apr 2012, 03:17 (Ref:3062412) | #997 | ||
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I wonder if the bearing issue is similar to the one that took out the OAK Pescarolo at Sebring--it seems that the teams are having to make that V8 punch above its weight to be competitive against the HPD and TMG V8s, and the engine's paying the price.
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I think this may be a historical issue whereby the V8 Judd engine was designed as an LMP2 engine at a certain power level and crankshaft operating speed range for that particular LMP2 dricve cycle, but when the ACO stepped these LMP2 engines up to the LMP1 class it appears to have played hell for Judd, first for the 5.5 V10, aparrently the crank torsional vibrations were so bad they resorted to the older 5.0 Engine in the grandfathering situation........now I suspect as the V8 is more powerful in the LMP1 scenario it has shifted the crankshaft operating speed into an regieme whereby its torsionally vibrating very badly, to hear that they have resorted to mounting the engine on isolator blocks is not good to hear, but I guess needs must and all that........saying that this is pretty much the route that Dyson and Deltawing have taken whereby the engine is not really fully or semi-stressed like a traditional LMP engine installation........Judd should be able to install a crankshaft torsional damper on the nose of the crank of on the intermediate drive gear between the crankshaft and the cam drives and solve the problem.........realistically this is the same problem that blighted the Ford-Cosworth DFV in 1967, it can easily be retro-fixed if they get the right bits to bolt on, lets hope thay can fix it, best it happens now rather than in the 3rd may test or the race
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20 Apr 2012, 14:06 (Ref:3062654) | #999 | |
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I have to say the Dome looks absolutely gorgeous, such a pretty design! Got a horrible feeling the engines won't go 24 hours tho...or anything close to that unfortunately. Still, Judd have a just under two months to get it sorted, alot can happen in that time.
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20 Apr 2012, 14:18 (Ref:3062661) | #1000 | |
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judd doesn't update their lmp engines from years, what could you expect in a pair of months?
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