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I don't think this is going to happen: we surely gonna have a change after so many years, but I hope the new car will be a serious one
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We'll just have to wait until Ben Bowlby is ready to present his design.
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dunno, methikns some more radical changes are to be expected; and I'm not completely sure Bowlby's design will be the selected one. As Miller said there are more potential providers, aside delta and obviously Dallara.
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According to Curt Cavin's latest on the subject (published this morning), the Bowlby design resembles the orignal Craig Breedlove Spirit of America. And the league still isn't sure which way to go.
I personally think that any true design revolution in the league would involve writing some rules and allowing teams to build their own cars so there would be excitement about new designs every season. Of course, that'll never happen, because the R&D to develop something that is both fast and safe from square one in this economy would be cost prohibitive to teams to do...besides, to recoup that $$$, you would have to be able to build more and sell them. Here's the article: http://www.indystar.com/article/200...ke-new-approach |
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Under the current monopoly a new dallara is around $700,000 which I think some competition could do better. Personally I think the whole world has gone insane. The irl with an idea to run turbocharged wingless formula fords and the stillborn GreenPrix wanting to desecrate Panoz DP01's with enormous battery packs to go electric car racing. Not the excitement I'm looking for, either as a spectator or driver. |
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Let's face it...Panoz has laid off virtually all of their designers and engineers, so they don't have the resources to build a new chassis, nor the staff to redesign the DP01 to run on ovals...They're out... Lola might jump into the fray, but IIRC, they are going to try to get in on the F1 action, aren't they, in addition to their LMP1s and LMP2s...would they put this new project on their plate as well? Swift would be a candidate, as would Dome... But who is going to drop millions of $$$ into design, R&D, etc. in this economy to sell cars to a series in which you are splitting a 22-24 driver/car pie many ways if you have multiple chassis builders? How many cars did Riley & Scott sell in the IRL when they were a builder? 3 or 4 at the most? They lost their shirts on the project! Panoz didn't sell another car after the midway point of the 2005 season and ultimately disappeared from the series when everyone switched to Dallaras. I don't "fear" multiple builders...I welcome it!... But I'm also a realist, and it just won't happen in this economic climate. |
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Why did Panoz disappear and Dallara become the dominant chassis? Was the Dallara cheaper to buy, easier to run?
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The currant economic conditions won't allow for multiple chassis but by 2012 things should have improved, unless there is going to be a double dip recession, so it would make some sense for the IRL to start courting some other manufacturers with a view to building new chassis. Otherwise we are just going to have another spec series, the novelty of which will soon wear off. There is a rumour that Lola might be building a car for USF1, they would be a good candidate, what with their history in US open wheel racing.
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Wingless doesn't mean downforceless. Anyway, current Indy cars have too much downforce on 1.5-mile ovals. And wings create lots of drag, which goes against fuel efficiency.
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Maybe my expectations have fallen so far that something like this becomes cause for hope. Probably the greatest cause for hope is the team owners finally starting to take a little initiative. The sport was at its best when it was run by the people with gasoline running in their veins, and and this could be a small step back toward that. |
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If the teams just had to design their own front wings and side winglets it would be something that might make them a little different in appearance and allow some ingenuity with a spec chassis.
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I would have created a new thread, but anyway. VAG wants to join a strong IndyCar, they don't want to be the ones who push it to first level. So it's either the Fiat/Chrysler group or just Honda.
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The IRL has little money, sponsors, media coverage and fan community. How could be expect four carmakers to want to supply high-tech engines and three coachbuilders to want to develop revolutionary chassis from scratch for a 20-car grid?
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CART/Champcar was incredibly successful, with multi-chassis, engine and tyre combinations. After Reynard went bust Champcar went down the single chassis-engine-tyre route, in order to save on costs, first with the Lola B03-00, which was replaced with the DP-01, both with Ford Cosworth engines and Bridgestone tyres; the rest as they say is history.
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Hence Why I think they should forget the turbo engines and adopt Formula Nippon engines. DTM is looking to integrate with Super GT, which use FN engines (and are supposedly conform with LM 2011 rules). So there you have Toyota and Nissan besides Honda, as well as Audi (read... VW) and Mercedes and maybe BMW would join in.
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