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Surely you don't build something until its ordered. The most you'll see is a wind tunnel model unless a constructor decides to go it their own. But thats not looking likely.
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I agree TF110. But it is almost November and if all those constructors don't have orders yet, they aren't likely to get them for 2014. None of the constructors can afford to go ahead on their own and none have partners so none have a hope of getting a car on the grid (IMO.)
I hope more teams will consider P1 privateer P1 if it turns out that Rebellion can at least keep the factories in sight. Maybe we will see a couple new chassis/engines in 2015. I think we have all seen a lot of proposed new prototypes every year, and just about none make it. If ACO gets the balance right both among types of power plants and between factories and privateers, both WEC and P1 privateers (P1 non-H) could both be very healthy for years to come, and some of these proposed chassis miught actually get built. If ACO/FIA cave in to one or all the factories, then WEC will last until a couple factories feel like they've had enough and the series will crash like all those which preceded it. |
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Their plan now is the car will be ready to test by mid March 2014.
And that if there is no problems in the project and if they make that date,it might still not be ready to race the first WEC race or two. |
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They would be serious fast at 800kg with ~600hp. Probably faster than some sub Formula 1 open wheel car series.
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Well obviously they haven't got it completely wrong in that regard since so many constructors are interested, what's lacking is a team with funding.
It's a bit of a chicken or egg situation where teams don't want to buy a car that they have no idea about how it will actually perform and consturctors don't want to build one before they know someone will buy it, this is the real issue in my mind. What I'm hoping for is WR or someone els, like Dome, builds a car and runs it themselves. Rebellion vs. WR vs. Dome for privateer honour would be mega! |
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I;d say they Do have it wrong, else more Teams would want to participate.
Constructors building cars are basically businesses hoping to sell cars; results don't matter so much if they can sell a few chassis and spares. Teams are businesses which generally need results to keep getting sponsorship, and if the teams don't think they will ever be anything but an afterthought---in other words, if they think the playing field is tilted against them---they will either pick another class, another series, or another business. If the rules were really level between P1(H) and P1, I suspect we'd see more teams trying out P1. As it stands, no one but Rebellion is interested in finishing tenth for their tens of-millions-of-dollars investment. Nothing can overcome the cubic-dollar effect of a huge team of engineers constantly creating upgrades, but I doubt the best P1 has a chance even against an unsorted P1(H) just because of potential AWD and extra torque out of the corners. I don't see Rebellion ever seeing a podium unless the entire teams of Porsche, Toyota, and Audi pile up at the start or something. I don't think teams haven't been considering P1 because there weren't enough chassis available. I think teams haven't been considering P1 because they aren't any Competitive chassis available. |
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Lighter weight supposedly helps the fuel economy, but this year theTS030 Toyota (920kg) with the same size tank goes about as far as the Lola Rebellion Toyota (900kg). Next year its still a 20kg difference. Don't see it being much different than now. Probably more towards the hybrids.
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Give too many breaks to privateers though and a manufacturer will just make their cars to those regulations instead. Parity in the rules is fine, but no point in helping out the little(r) guys or you end up with an RS Spyder situation. Although that was fun whilst it lasted...!
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There is a good insight here:
http://www.oreca.fr/en/construction-...e-right-track/ It is great that they are doing it and if anyone can produce a competitive car for a privateer - it is Oreca. |
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30 Oct 2013, 19:12 (Ref:3325233) | #241 | |
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Further confirmation at the end of a two car program for the wec. Great to read.
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An actual LMP1-L, with a picture to prove it.
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A small update on the progress of Rebellions 2014 plans:
http://www.motorsport-total.com/wec/...-13121101.html Short summary: -Only confirmed driver so far is Nicolas Prost, but Beche and Heidfeld are likely to continue. -The first R-One is planned to be ready for a private test before taking part in the official pre-season test at Le Castellet -The second R-One should be ready for Silverstone |
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http://sportscar365.com/wec/rebellio...ebut-in-march/
Final design of R-One will be different from original drawings Crash testing scheduled for next month Nick Heidfeld, Mathias Beche, Andrea Belicchi likely to return as drivers |
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The DSC interview with Dan Walmsley of Strakka reveals something about the 2013 Rebellion Lola Toyota that has not been mentioned before:
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I think that's just the render from last June.
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I was also trying to work out if there was anything different on there.
What they did also re-confirm is that they should have two cars at Silverstone. |
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