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I think the racing hes been alot more entertaining this year so far
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Good start of the season for Erebus.
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Croke and Edwards unhappy with parity, implying a two-tiered championship:
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Sounds like it hasn't worked as it should of have, maybe was a little unnecessary? I can understand the drivers' concern, especially the ones who have been round a long time. There might need to be a rethink. You do wonder if there is much the teams can do with their cars
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888 boss Jamie Whincup refutes parity concerns and claims equivalence of the vehicles:
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Is Whincup speaking honestly or from a position of bias? It is curious that Whincup has formed such a radically different view during the VCAT process and other parity processes, than Ford Performance boss Mark Rushbrook, Ford Australia personnel, Ford team personnel and Mustang drivers. Whincup's view - arguably - does not seem consistent with the lack of stability and lack of straight line performance of Mustangs seen on circuit, especially during race runs. If Whincup is correct these problems can be corrected entirely with car setup and are unrelated to different aerodynamics or different engines. Last edited by V8 Fireworks; 5 Apr 2023 at 05:51. |
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5 Apr 2023, 05:56 (Ref:4150454) | #1431 | |
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Maybe they should sleeve the chev engines down to 5.4 litres capacity.
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I reckon 5 litres would be ideal - & do away with the idea of pushrod vs. overhead cams, have them the same configuration and size - oh, hang on a minute........ |
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5 Apr 2023, 08:00 (Ref:4150463) | #1434 | |
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Of course they won't be happy if the rules don't favour them, but they do at least want a fair chance. But it will always favour the other one more. But those are the rules, they knew what they signed up for.
I think the current regs are fine, no need to make every part standard. There should still be a place for technical intrigue |
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5 Apr 2023, 09:01 (Ref:4150469) | #1435 | |
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Absolute parity using VCAT is an unachievable goal, better to get the cars as close as possible and then make small adjustments to weight, rev limits, air intakes etc.
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Although, the VCAT process is meant to include small adjustments to achieve parity - it might all balance up with a bit of fanarkaling - hard for us all outside the tent to know what the differences really are amongst all the partisan voices from the teams. |
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I think it's fair to assume that if the Mustang was equal or had a slight advantage then Mustang runners wouldn't have any concerns about parity -- much like the Camaro runners funnily enough...
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6 Apr 2023, 07:46 (Ref:4150586) | #1438 | |
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It's clear Mustang haven't done enough work over the winter, so maybe they should look at that. Not Camaro's fault they made the car faster
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How do you have parity between the different skills of drivers
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Note too that Ford Performance did seek to address these parity concerns both privately over the winter and summer - to little avail - and then were compelled to raise them publicly at the Ford Red Bull Powertrains launch. I would more than welcome a more conventional competition with set parameters: - 5000cc based on production block, max 8500rpm -- everything else free. - Legality boxes where you can put whatever aero devices of your own choosing, with a limit of the number of aerofoil profiles and chord length. Similar to Super Touring, I think that would work quite well and that Ford Performance's design and engineering capabilities would be quite the asset to producing a tidy contender. Indeed, cynics might claim that the Gen 3 design process (with positions of *control* splitters and *control* wings being set by a third party, their Mustang engine being mapped in Australia by a third party etc) seems like a stitch-up to prevent Ford Performance in the United States from designing the best entry possible... Entirely to the contrary of the premise that it is Ford Performance's fault for "building a slower car". Last edited by V8 Fireworks; 6 Apr 2023 at 14:21. |
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I don't know how the ford teams are supposed to make the car go faster in 4th, 5th and 6th gear given that engine parity is out their control?
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Maybe they can find a way to set up their car better. Of course the parity limits things, but then there have always been ways to get around it as best as possible
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It would seem far more reasonable to say "OK you have to hit X kg drag and Y kg downforce at 200 km/hr in a straight-line, and you have to hit this mean horsepower average between X and 7500rpm using some kind of V8 NA engine", those are the restrictions, go at it Ford Performance (& 888 acting for the disinterested Chevrolet Racing) and design the best car and engine possible. |
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Supercars has nothing to do with designing the best car or engine possible. It is about reaching parity.
Is there parity currently? I'm not sure. DJR were terrible at Newcastle, could have had a couple of fair results at the AGP but for incidents. Tickford have been very inconsistent, likewise for a Grove. They haven't shown their best form yet, regardless of parity. Similar to last year, the order hasn't changed much. Erebus are better, Tickford slightly worse. Mostert is still fast (Percat can't match him). |
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Ford Performance voiced concerns clearly and loudly that parity was wrong and needed to be urgently addressed, yet it is supposedly Ford Performance's and Mustang's fault! Quote:
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Would there be urgent action if the Camaro had zero on-track race wins, was visibly sliding around more and losing time on straights, and it was unclear if the Camaro had a disadvantage? Last edited by V8 Fireworks; 8 Apr 2023 at 04:04. |
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ATCC teams unhappy with Gen 3 costs
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Nice to hear from him, he makes some good points there. It needs to be sustainable and the money coming in has to be put to good use. It's never cheap to run the cars, but the budgets need to be kept under control
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Tried building a house lately? Or buying steel? Or fruit and veges? 30% increase is not that surprising really.... |
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