|
||||||||||
|
||||||||||
13 Apr 2010, 17:57 (Ref:2672162) | #326 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Oct 2002
Posts: 6,958
|
So did Paul Ricard have "LeMans like" attendance, TV coverage, or TV viewership?
|
||
|
13 Apr 2010, 19:10 (Ref:2672224) | #327 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Aug 2002
Posts: 10,500
|
Quote:
The P1 manufactuers have already made their feelings known, even GT2 manufactuers want a part of the LMIC action. In time at least three rounds of the LMIC will be in Europe, the LMS is only 5/6 rounds in total! This is a win, win situation for current LMS teams, and offers what the manufactuers and large teams want. I mention the ALMS as it seems absolutely clear to me the general North American opposition to the LMIC is driven by self interest, namely manufactuers choosing the LMIC over the ALMS. |
||
|
13 Apr 2010, 19:36 (Ref:2672244) | #328 | ||
Race Official
Veteran
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 16,125
|
I thought there was going to be some stipulation that if you wanted to race in the LMIC then you had to race in X number of other races in other series. Is that still going to be the case? If it is, I wouldn't worry to much about manufacturers choosing LMIC over ALMS. Besides the ALMS has a healthy series with the Challenge classes alone
|
||
|
13 Apr 2010, 19:42 (Ref:2672246) | #329 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 7,326
|
I think they'll have to drop that rule once they move to a 6 or 7 race LMIC...
|
||
|
13 Apr 2010, 22:39 (Ref:2672358) | #330 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 3,793
|
Given that those additional races will already be part of other series then that rule would still be in place in a de facto sense; however those additional races would be mandated rather than optional and likely limited to more major events.
It is problematic for the 'feeder' series though, that is for sure. This whole idea continues to leave me unsettled, and it seems that some of the manufacturers presently agree. I only hope that the moves taken to settle them have a similar effect on me. |
||
|
13 Apr 2010, 23:45 (Ref:2672375) | #331 | |
Veteran
Join Date: Aug 2002
Posts: 10,500
|
For 2011 I could see a manufactuer like Audi taking in the following events.
Sebring (LMIC) Paul Ricard (LMS) Spa (LMIC) Le Mans Silverstone (LMIC) TBA North America (ALMS) PLM (LMIC) TBA Asia (LMIC) TBA Asia (LMIC) |
|
|
14 Apr 2010, 02:34 (Ref:2672410) | #332 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 8,919
|
Well it sounds like a good way to try and kill the ALMS! And possibly the LMS. You actually think that it (ALMS) can survive on 2 to 3 races a year? And when it is gone where the will the ILMC run, Europe? Then it can be called the LMS, right??
L.P. |
||
__________________
Probae esti in segetem sunt deteriorem datae fruges, tamen ipsae suaptae enitent |
14 Apr 2010, 05:40 (Ref:2672459) | #333 | |
Racer
Join Date: Dec 2008
Posts: 406
|
Manufacturers want one thing, privateers another, usual problem.
Now they need to be able to spread budgets over a wider area and that means not in one market. So far, even without ILMC the manufacturers have not chosen LMS or ALMS in a complete schedule on their reduced budgets, so maybe they need ILMC to keep convincing boards to spend the money for Le Mans programmes which I think is in the interest of all. |
|
|
14 Apr 2010, 15:10 (Ref:2672679) | #334 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Aug 2002
Posts: 10,500
|
Quote:
If popular enough, these races could eventually count as rounds of the ILMC. For LMS and ALMS rounds that don't count towards the ILMC, they can continue as is, they should be more attractive to privateers, but still attract manufactuers customer cars in the form of the ORECA Peugeot, Fernandez Aston Martin etc. I really don't see the point of Peugeot blitzing the field in Europe and Audi doing the same in North America, I'd prefare manufactuers to square upto each other half a dozen times a year at Le Mans and in the ILMC, leaving high quality privateers to battle it out in the LMS and ALMS. |
||
|
14 Apr 2010, 15:54 (Ref:2672700) | #335 | |
Racer
Join Date: Dec 2008
Posts: 406
|
Agreed
|
|
|
14 Apr 2010, 18:12 (Ref:2672765) | #336 | |||
Veteran
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 2,555
|
Quote:
ALMS still has roughly 90% privateers on its grids, its probably always been around that figure, so I'm guessing the concern expressed in this thread is mostly financial? I don't know quite how much money Audi has poured in over the years. Or does the lack of manufacturer presence have a massive effect on audience figures in the US? |
|||
|
14 Apr 2010, 19:39 (Ref:2672823) | #337 | |||
Veteran
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 8,919
|
Quote:
Hmm, and just how many full privateer LMP teams are there in the ALMS? L.P. |
|||
__________________
Probae esti in segetem sunt deteriorem datae fruges, tamen ipsae suaptae enitent |
14 Apr 2010, 21:03 (Ref:2672853) | #338 | |||
Veteran
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 2,555
|
Quote:
Yes, the LMS is lucky that it boasts large grids, but the teams come from many different countries - and so do the majority of the LMP builders right now. I think the ALMS does remarkably well, having only one country to draw from (lets remember it is a national championship, afterall) and without a locally-based LMP manufacturer for the privateers at the moment. At a time when manufacturers are struggling for cash, the LMIC is placing Audi, Peugeot and Aston Martin at some ALMS races where they would otherwise not show at all in 2010. As for the rest of the ALMS races, well, they have some of the best GT competition around, and the FLM cars are at least putting prototypes on the grid, catering for privateers for now. Isn't that better than nothing? |
|||
|
14 Apr 2010, 21:49 (Ref:2672869) | #339 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 6,654
|
What ALMS should do is make a huge investment in Canada and South America (mostly Brazil and Argentina). If a interest in Sportscars could be made, hopefully new teams (maybe manufactures) could spring from these countries, as they are all strong economies, where money could be found.
If the races could be placed around the 2 (3) continents, a larger audiences could be established, which would attract more Sponsors, and woula, ALMS would be stronger than ever! ALMS, AsiaLMS and LMS could then elect races which will count in LMIC, and Sportscar racing would be stronger than ever. |
||
__________________
Hvil i Fred Allan. (Rest in Peace Allan) |
15 Apr 2010, 07:14 (Ref:2672983) | #340 | |||
Veteran
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 656
|
Quote:
There are a lot of privateer teams that can't afford to do LMIC, but can get the budget for LMS, so the LMS will always have a reasonable turnout. Presumably teams that are not signed up for the full LMS don't score points? As per the ALMS. |
|||
|
15 Apr 2010, 09:10 (Ref:2673022) | #341 | |
Racer
Join Date: Dec 2008
Posts: 406
|
||
|
15 Apr 2010, 12:07 (Ref:2673100) | #342 | ||||
Veteran
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 12,171
|
Quote:
Quote:
and (going off topic), the ALMS GT2 competition is unbelievably competitive, exciting and as diverse as a series as you can find. i'm just ready for rich people and corporations to start spending money like there is no tomorrow and bring ALL racing back to a former prominence. |
||||
__________________
"Knowing that it's in you and you never let it out Is worse than blowing any engine or any wreck you'll ever have." -Mike Cooley |
15 Apr 2010, 14:15 (Ref:2673156) | #343 | |||
Racer
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 435
|
Quote:
Try grabbing the other end of the stick. Thats not how I read those comments. |
|||
|
15 Apr 2010, 15:00 (Ref:2673173) | #344 | |||
Veteran
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 8,919
|
Quote:
L.P. |
|||
__________________
Probae esti in segetem sunt deteriorem datae fruges, tamen ipsae suaptae enitent |
15 Apr 2010, 15:04 (Ref:2673176) | #345 | |||
Veteran
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 12,171
|
Quote:
and i was wrong in my previous post as the ALMS has races in more than one country, making it an International series . as CTD stated, it would be nice to see some further investment into Maple Leaf Country and South of the Border, but I'd rather not sacrifice too much from the current schedule. the sacrifice may be necessary, but how great would it be to have more races in Canada and add some in SA and keeping the current schedule? is that even logistically feasible? |
|||
__________________
"Knowing that it's in you and you never let it out Is worse than blowing any engine or any wreck you'll ever have." -Mike Cooley |
15 Apr 2010, 15:33 (Ref:2673189) | #346 | |||
Veteran
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 6,654
|
Quote:
|
|||
__________________
Hvil i Fred Allan. (Rest in Peace Allan) |
15 Apr 2010, 15:58 (Ref:2673207) | #347 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 4,523
|
I don't think South America is an option... not financially feasable anyway. Canada should be given consideration however as the Canucks turn out in HUGE numbers at Mosport no matter what the field is like.
|
||
|
15 Apr 2010, 16:00 (Ref:2673209) | #348 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 8,919
|
While ALMS race(s) in S. America would be nice, and the thought is admirable. The realities of the negative ROI without a major sponsor for the race(s) means it is not going to happen, unless circumstances change. But that is diverging away from the topic of the ILMC which is the subject of this thread.
L.P. |
||
__________________
Probae esti in segetem sunt deteriorem datae fruges, tamen ipsae suaptae enitent |
15 Apr 2010, 17:49 (Ref:2673259) | #349 | |
Veteran
Join Date: Aug 2002
Posts: 10,500
|
Those ticket giveaways are part of the benefit of manufactuer entries, along with the extra PR they generate. The DTM has built up it's fanbase over many years through similar initiatives.
Last edited by JAG; 15 Apr 2010 at 17:58. |
|
|
15 Apr 2010, 18:14 (Ref:2673274) | #350 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Aug 2002
Posts: 10,500
|
Quote:
All ifs and buts, but the challenge classes have shown there are teams out there looking to enter the ALMS, even in difficult economic times. |
||
|
Thread Tools | |
Display Modes | |
|
|
Similar Threads | ||||
Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
Le Mans Series 2010 | HORNDAWG | ACO Regulated Series | 1144 | 21 Sep 2010 14:08 |
2010 Le Mans Classic | john ruston | Historic Racing Today | 487 | 25 Aug 2010 19:35 |
[LM24 Race] Le Mans 2010 - Who's going? | Craig | 24 Heures du Mans | 416 | 10 Jun 2010 22:11 |
[LM24] Changes to facilities at Le Mans 2010 | GT6 | 24 Heures du Mans | 32 | 3 Dec 2009 20:28 |
LM Intercontinental Cup (thread closed) | Gingers4Justice | Sportscar & GT Racing | 32 | 1 Sep 2009 15:51 |