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Well then, in the late 80s ACO wanted to be a part of WSPC but FIA didnt allow them as the straight was too long for FIA events with their new safety standards, as you know was LM part of WSPC up to 88 and only in 91 when the chickanes where put in they where allowed back into WSPC.
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Acura have pressed the ACO to publish the regs promptly so their expected 2009 P1 would be a GTP, not a current P1 with limited lifespan. |
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Just looking forward to seeing some closer races in ALL classes whatever the structure, I for one am quite happy to see the class differential widen, it just means when a P2 gets in amongst the P1's, the P1's are gonna have to try harder! Ditto the GT1/2's (in whatever cofiguration they end with) |
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I think the rules are just fine as they are (bar GT1) the petrol cars can beat the diesels (well if a P2 porsche can then its possible), and racing is good in ALMS - LMS is a bit dull at times but only cos Pug needs some competition
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2003 Bentley 916kg 1999 Mercedes CLR 921kg 2003 Audi 919kg 2002 Caddy 916kg 1999 Panoz 908kg 2002/3 Panoz 933kg 2000 Reynard 940kg 2003 Pescarolo 927kg 2004 Pescarolo 914kg 2003 Panoz LMP07 940kg 2002 Riley Mk III 931kg |
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P1 vs P2 is great ATM, but 12-18 months down the line the regs/competition should encourage Porsche into P1, it'll be a natural progression. |
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Road America has the second longest straights and second highest speeds after LeMans Here are the qualifing times. They are all with in 2.1 secs: LMP1 AUDI SPORT NORTH AMERICA Dindo Capello/Allan McNish 1:47.665 time 135.353 ave speed mph Audi R10 TDI LMP1 AUDI SPORT NORTH AMERICA Emanuele Pirro/Marco Werner 1:48.036 time 134.888 ave speed mph Audi R10 TD PENSKE MOTORSPORTS Timo Bernhard/Romain Dumas 1:48.833 time 133.901 ave speed mph Porrsche RS Spyder PENSKE MOTORSPORTS Sascha Maassen/Ryan Briscoe 1:49.117 time 133.552 ave speed mph Porsche RS Spyder HIGHCROFT RACING David Brabham/Stefan Johansson/Duncan Dayton 1:49.767 time 132.761 ave speed Acura ARX-01a All with in 2.1 sec / lap. And who won? Porsche The Penske Porsche's were only 4/10s and 8/10s mph slower in qualifying then the Audis Last edited by AU N EGL; 23 Sep 2007 at 15:24. |
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A P2 does not stand a chance against any P1 car - this is not necesarily a diesel equivalency problem- on the LM straights. I expect that Porsche could sort this out to an extent with a different aero config, in terms of power to weight they are not that far behind the P1 cars (possibly better than many of the privateer P1 cars).
Agree with Jag that if you want to succeed at LM then you need a P1 car - Acura recognise this as do most of the other manufacturers - Porsche will eventually get around to building one at some point in the future... |
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Yes both have extesive history at the 24, but Audi with the R10 and R8 have recent success with that chassie, where the Porsche Spyder would be a new chassie to the LM 24. |
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I just saw some TV footage of Mosport (things are quite delayed here in Africa) and the speed differential on the straight between the Spyders and the Audi's was abysmal. |
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I wish there were different trap speed locations on each track, Sebring, Road America, Road Atlanta, LeSarth. PLM on Road Atlanta is in 2 weeks time. The back straight is long and very high speeds into turn 10. IIRC the Corvettes and Audis were all in the mid 180s. ( my nads only allowed me to go 162 there) So it will be very interesting to see. the turn 7 - 8 combination before the back straight is not really a high speed corner, but speed though T8 is critical to a very fast back straight and down hill into the Turn 10 brake zone. Take a ride with Clint Field Road Atlanta in LMP2 - Field Last edited by AU N EGL; 23 Sep 2007 at 16:42. |
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The American tracks are a lot tighter, and twistier which suits the P2s, but it was surprising to see an RS Spyder win overall at Road America. I do think that P2 does need to be slowed down a little bit. Like I said the only place where this is an issue is America, where there are manufacturer teams, which gives them almost unlimited resources for development. In Europe, the P2s are damn fast, but they are privateer ran. Attrition is usually what gets a P2 a high overall position in LMS.
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Slowing down the P2 before adjustments are made to correct the P1 regulations, seems very strange to me.
Why would you want to eliminate any possible competition to the diesels before guaranteeing that there will be other P1 cars (gasoline) to take their place? |
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50kg ballast may knock them back half a second, it isn't going to change things greatly. We'll have to see what breaks petrol P1's recieve. Last edited by JAG; 23 Sep 2007 at 17:34. |
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Not trying to stay off topic, but the diesel vs petroleum in racing is HIGHLY political along with the environmental issues, of how much petroleum is or is not available in the world, not necessary racing related. |
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Thank God some one finally agrees that all this diesel thang is mainly political in nature.
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The modern, low-sulfur diesels, like the Shell V-Power used by Audi are not derived from biomass or any bio/food source, but rather from natural gas.
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There is noting wrong with encouragement, it's the dissemination of any possible competition that I take exception to.
Also - I'm not sure about the agricultural connection, but the fact that PSA (the Peugeot-Citroen Group) sell huge numbers of diesel cars, may have had some thing to do with the ACO's whole hearted adoption of the diesel policy. |
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