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Interesting to see in today's MSA publication for licence holders (motorsportsnow! - sorry about the punctuation - its theirs!) that a new regulation (J.5.4.6 for 2007) is proposed to cover the case where the race is interrupted after the chequered flag is shown. I guess that by 'interrupted' they mean that a red flag is shown because a situation needs to to be controlled faster than would be achieved by the chequered. I have known such a situation and so I can see that specifying how placings are determined makes sense. Regards Jim |
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26 Jul 2006, 12:55 (Ref:1664982) | #27 | |
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Maybe I'm missing something, but: If a red and a chequered are deployed on the finish line, the reds will propagate (as discussed on this thread) in both directions round the circuit - so some will see the chequered & red first (and so will have been racing up to the line), while others, further back, will see the reds first before the finish line and hence will not be racing when they come to the line.
Whilst it may not be strictly correct, it's common for cars to pull alongside (congratulating each other on a good race, e.g.) or pass each other once they have slowed down, and if you've seen the red before the pit lane entry it's possible or likely that a driver would simply go straight into the pits. So how then can they take the result as cars pass the chequered? That's why on a red the result is taken from the previous lap. Also, when a driver sees a chequered he races to the line and may well try a last ditch pass on the final straight. When he sees a red he (hopefully) immediately backs off, slows and maybe sticks his hand up. If I see a red and a chequered and I'm in a battle, which do I do? Will the other guy do the same? The restarting of the race is at the CoC's discretion anyway. Deploying reds following an incident neutralises the race, and a result may be declared based on teh previous lap if the CoC sees fit. Deploying the chequered as well just seems to me to be confusing the issue. G |
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Leader less than 2 laps completed - no contest and a restart. Leader >2 laps and < 50% (75% for Nat. A and Int.) - First part of a two part contest. "Cars will be restarted from a grid set out in the finishing order derived as J 5.4.4 and the final result will be the order of finishing at the end of the restarted race unless Championship Regulations specify otherwise." CoC may abandon second part altogether. Leader > 50% (75% for Nat. A and Int.) - result declared. J.5.3Once the Black and White chequered flag has been displayed the event is over, and may not be restarted. So if after 2 laps and before 50/75 % the red flag is shown and the chequered is also displayed (remember that both can only be displayed on the authority of the CoC) the race is finished and the finishing order is based on J.5.4.4. Or at least that is how I read it. Regards Jim |
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27 Jul 2006, 07:11 (Ref:1665629) | #29 | ||
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If the red is displayed and the result declared, the chequered flag is shown to the pit lane & not to the race track.. (well, that's what they did at Brands last weekend...)
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When race control yells Red Flag (usually about three times in quick succession) we simultaneously display Reds at all points (which I think is the only way to do it...unambiguous and maximising the chances for every driver to see), Yellows at the incident (as appropriate) and make sure cars slow down using other means and body language Last edited by 275 GTB-4; 29 Jul 2006 at 00:31. |
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Read your 'Motor Sport Now!', Summer 2006, "Rule changes" article? Spookily, the MSA proposes a brand new regulation for Racing, J5.4.6. This will deal with a race 'interruption' while the chequered flag is being shown at the finish line. All those who see the chequered will be classifed asthey cross the line. Those who see the red, will be classified with their positions at the end of the penultimate lap. As worded, a yellow would have the same effect. "Difficult cases make bad law" The first time this is used, I predict a riot. John |
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this doesn't make sense for me !
sounds like comparing appels and oranges... if i cross the line and see a chequered, when th erace was stopped due to a red flag, i get my place as i crossed the line. so its just to punish the cause of the red not to get a result. how could i at the same scenario get someone his place who does not see the chequer ? makes no sense to me... its either one or the other ! |
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Lets say the leader has a problem on the last lap and slows dramatically. The second place man passes him and goes on to take the chequered flag, winning the race. A red flag comes out in front of the previous leader, so on count back to the previous lap he was first over the line, so also wins the race???
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Absolutely, dtype.
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And who is going to decide if you have seen the red flag or not? Even if you haven't seen it, let them try and prove it.
Sounds all a bit over the top that new rule, but stranger things have happened before. I think the drivers will need very quick responding flagmarshals. |
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