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Old 5 Jan 2002, 19:28 (Ref:194475)   #1
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Modena GPs

There were Modena GPs held in 1952, 1953, 1957 and 1961.

From what I can find on the Web there are/were 2 circuits at Modena. One is the street circuit and the other was the Ferrari/Maserati test track.

From the information regarding the circuit lengths I can assume that 57 and 61 were at the Autodrome, but the lengths I have for 52 and 53 are inconsistent with the info I have regarding the street track.

Does anybody have any information regarding any of the Modena Gps (all 4 years I listed) - such as where they were run, circuit lengths, circuit layouts if possible.

Even info which can confirm things I already know will be useful.

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Old 5 Jan 2002, 21:26 (Ref:194536)   #2
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Average speeds for the races through the years indicate that all were run on the same circuit, though the two circuits may have fluked a similar average speed...

1950 - 67.5
1951 - 72.27
1952 - 77.21
1953 - 76.66
1957 - 81.09
1960 - 87.55
1961 - 88.09

The races were always the current F2, except 1961, when Moss won in what was essentially a 1960 F2 car.

Speed improvements would, I believe, reflect the progress the cars were making through those periods. The only hiccup is Fangio's backsliding win in 53... but perhaps Ferrari weren't there? Certainly none appear in the results.

And, of course, we know nothing of the weather or other circuit conditions.

You may be able to get something more if you PM Corktree. I suspect he may have been there one of those years.
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Old 5 Jan 2002, 23:05 (Ref:194595)   #3
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Full results of the 1950-53 races can be found at the Formula 2 Register:

http://user.tninet.se/~aiq291w/F2_Index.htm

All these races appear to have been held on a 2.361 mile circuit.

Contrary to what Ray said, 1957 and 1960 were F1 races, like 1961. I don't have details of 1960 to hand, but 1957 and 1961 were held on a 1.47 mile track.

I have brief reports on all these races, except 1960.
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Old 5 Jan 2002, 23:19 (Ref:194603)   #4
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There are track maps here:

http://www.racingcircuits.net/

but the circuit length given for the street track doesn't correspond with the data above.
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Old 6 Jan 2002, 00:01 (Ref:194615)   #5
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My details are from Monkhouse/King-Farlow... and I have to say that 1957 looks suspiciously like F1 if you look at the cars that placed:

1. J. Behra (Maserati)
2. L. Musso (Ferrari)
3. H. Schell (Maserati)

I'm not aware of any F2 Masers in that period, and I don't think Ferrari was running F2 then either, so I guess alarm bells should have been ringing (actually they were!) when I posted this.

That would then blow the whole order of things out the window, I would say the circuit was different...

But then, look at 1960:

1. J. Bonnier (Porsche)
2. R. Ginther (Ferrari)
3. W. von Trips (Ferrari)

Porsche didn't run F1 cars till 1961, and they were unlikely to beat F1 Ferraris anywhere... so the F2 category is the only likely one to apply to this race. But so much faster than the F1 race of three years before? Back on the other circuit, I think.

Unless, as I said, weather conditions have played a hand.

Race lengths given are different for every year, except 1960 and 1961.
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Old 6 Jan 2002, 23:00 (Ref:194696)   #6
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Not wishing to add confusion to uncertainty I have a feeling that there were 2 versions of the airfield (test track) used towards the end of its racing life. I think one reason for the discrepancies may be that they sometimes used the middle section that ended in a very tight hairpin (up and down a runway, presumably) and other times just used the perimeter.

My Autosport Directory 1955 shows the version with the centre runway and quotes the circuit length as 1.4 miles.

Does this help - or does it cause more confusion?
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Old 6 Jan 2002, 23:04 (Ref:194699)   #7
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I stand corrected

1960 was indeed F2 - serves me right for posting without checking! I only have Sheldon up to 1959, plus the old F1 Record Book, so I've a one-year gap there! And Stefan hasn't yet published his 1960 results ...

Of course, that's not the first mistake we've found in K-F ... especially since he is totally wrong re the race distances in 1952-3: both should read 236.13 miles! Sheldon repeats that error in 1952, but gets 1953 right. And for 1957, it should read as two 40-lap heats, each of 58.8 miles, according to Sheldon. Results were aggregated, but Behra won both heats anyway.

Having done a bit more research on this, it appears that the street circuit was last used in 1947 and replaced by the Autodrome in 1950. I've checked the average speed/time/distance for 1957 and 1961, so it looks like the circuit was shortened sometime between 1953 and 1957.
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Old 6 Jan 2002, 23:07 (Ref:194701)   #8
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Not wishing to add confusion to uncertainty I have a feeling that there were 2 versions of the airfield (test track) used towards the end of its racing life. I think one reason for the discrepancies may be that they sometimes used the middle section that ended in a very tight hairpin (up and down a runway, presumably) and other times just used the perimeter.

My Autosport Directory 1955 shows the version with the centre runway and quotes the circuit length as 1.4 miles.

Does this help - or does it cause more confusion?
I think we're more or less in agreement there Barry!!
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Old 7 Jan 2002, 00:40 (Ref:194728)   #9
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The Circuito di Modena was a street urban race which was organised from 1927 to 1947. Enzo Ferrari won the first two editions (a sport car races), then there was a no race until 1934 with a "hat-trick" of Tazio Nuvolari who won in 1934 (Maserati), 1935 and 1936 (Alfa Romeo). Those three editions were GP races. In 1938 Franco Cortese (Maserati) beat the Alfa Romeo 158 (the Alfettas) in a voiturette-race. Back in 1946 and 1947 with sport car and second victory for Cortese. The 1947 edition was tragic as Giovanni Bracco had a bad crash and killed some spectators.That was the end of the race (Ascari was declared winner) and also the end of the street circuit.

A new circuit was built and was inaugured in May 1950 by a F2 race: the Modena GP (winner Ascari).

The palmares of the Modena GP:
1950: 1- Ascari (Ferrari 166), 2- Tadini (Ferrari), 3- Carini (Osca)
1951: 1- Ascari (Ferrari 500), 2- Gonzales (Ferrari 166), 3 Macklin (HWM)
1952: 1- Villoresi (Ferrari 500/006), 2- Gonzales (Maserati), 3- Sighinolfi / Ascari (Ferrari)
1953: 1- Fangio (Maserati), 2- Marimon (Maserati), 3- de Graffenried (Maserati)
1957: 1- Behra (Maserati 250F), 2- Musso (Ferrari 156), 3- Schell (Maserati 250F)
1960: 1- Bonnier (Porsche 718/2), 2- Ginther (Ferrari), 3- von Trips
1961: 1- Moss (Lotus 18/21), 2- Bonnier (Porsche 718/2), 3- Gurney (Porsche 718/2).

1957 and 1961: F1 races.
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Old 7 Jan 2002, 18:36 (Ref:195025)   #10
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I had track lengths of
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Old 7 Jan 2002, 21:30 (Ref:195168)   #11
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The information I have regarding the track is different from that posted by Vitesse and Barry.

I believe that the version of the track using the central runway was used in 1950 and 51 and measured 3.8kms (2.4miles). The race distance in 1951 was 66 laps giving 250.8 kms (150.7 miles). The perimater only track was used from 1952. It measured 1.43 miles and the race was over 100 laps, giving a race distance of 143 miles. This implis that Sheldon has the correct race distance in 1952 but not in 1953, not the other way round.

Another story about Modena, showing what confusion can arise. In 1952 Villoresi was battling with Gonzalez for the lead when the Argentinian was severely balked by Piero Carini. Villoresi went on to win. For some reason Enzo Ferrari was really upset by this and swore that his cars would never race at Modena again. He did not compete in 1953, but as is well known, he had retired from racing by then anyway.

but what car was Carini driving? Sheldon says an HWM in his report on the 1952 racebut in the report on 1953. he refers to the incident and says it was a Ferrari. Autocourse says it was an HWM. Autosport says it was a Maserati!

Pity the poor historian!
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Having just watched the new STAR TREK series first episode on Sky, I am moved to used a bit of Vulcan logic. There is a great piece of 'in car' film of Fangio driving a 250F? around Modena. He only uses the perimeter circuit and I would judge from memory that it takes him around a minute of so to get around.

Therefore, logically, I must agree with Roger that the full circuit including the centre runway must be over 2 miles because if the length I quoted in my earlier post was correct, the perimeter track alone could not possibly be more than about .7-.8 of a mile and Fangio in an F1 car would have gone around a sight quicker than a minute.
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Old 7 Jan 2002, 23:08 (Ref:195219)   #13
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The lengths I had were 1.470 and 1.9 something.

1.470 was for 57 and 61 and the 1.9 was for 52 and 53.

However, FORIX lists all 4 of these races using the same circuit length.

The F2 directory had the same track length as Forix for 52 and the map shown included the runway section. I think the length was around about 2500m - not sure what that is in miles.
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Old 8 Jan 2002, 10:58 (Ref:195387)   #14
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Modena GP 1960

Based on the Autosport and Motor Sport reports for the race, here's some more information on Modena in 1960

Qualifying:
Bonnier: 0.59.2
Moss: 0.59.3
von Trips: 0.59.4
Herrmann: 1.00.1
Barth: 1.00.1
Ginther: 1.00.5
Burgess: 1.00.6

Race:
1: Bonnier Porsche (Works)
2: Ginther Ferrari 156 (front engined car)
3: von Trips Ferrari 156 (rear engined car)
4: Herrmann Porsche (Works)
5: Barth Porsche (Works)
6: Trintignant Cooper Maserati (Centro Sud) Probably a T51
7: Marsh Lotus-Climax FPF (Almost certainly 18/909)
8: Cabral Cooper Maserati (Centro Sud) Probably a T51
R: Moss Lotus-Climax FPF (Parnell) (Perhaps 18/904)
R: Burgess Lotus-Maserati (?) Almost certainly 18/902
R: Scarlatti Cooper
R: Campbell-Jones Cooper-Climax FPF (Almost certainly T45-F2.14.58)
DNQ:
Businello de Tomaso (Works)
Parnell Cooper Climax FPF (Almost certainly T45-F2.7.58)
Seidel Cooper Climax FPF (Sc.Colonia) (Perhaps T45-F2.22.58)
"Wal Ever" Cooper Climax FPF (Sc. Colonia) (Perhaps T43-F2-26-57)

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Referring to the Villoresi-Gonzalez-Carini incident in 1952, what I do not understand is that Enzo Ferrari was upset. Gonzalez (Maserati) was balked by Carini, and Villoresi (Ferrari) won, so where’s the problem for Ferrari?

Pierro Carini in 1951 and 1952 was member of the Scuderia Marzotto, who bought early 1951 from the SF 2 old tipo 166/49 F2 cars, and later that year the 2 166/50 DeDion F2 cars. 2 weeks before Modena at the Grenzlandring in Germany Carini was still driving a Marzotto Ferrari, 2 weeks after Modena at the AVUS the 2nd Marzotto car was in the hands of Guido Mancini. Obviously in these 4 weeks something happened, so it is not impossible that Carini was on the Modena entry list with a 166 Ferrari, but finally drove something else.
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Just to add to the confusion.

The Motor Yearbooks have the following info on the track.

1950 - New Autodrome circuit. 80 laps about 189 miles
1951 - Distance 155.6 miles
1952 - Airfield circuit 1.43 miles 100 laps 143 miles
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Does anyone have details about the 1961 Modena GP?
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Full entry list, result and a brief report any help?

Oh, BTW, Masten finished but was not classified ....
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Full entry list, result and a brief report any help?

Oh, BTW, Masten finished but was not classified ....
Yes, because this is one of the races that I cannot find a report on. It is not in Road and Track or in either one of my Unique Motorbook volumes.
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Modena GP 1961

1961 Modena GP

Entry List

No. Driver Car Team Practice time
2 A.Pilette Emeryson-Maserati E.N.B DNA
4 L.Bandini Cooper T51 (F1.13.61)
Maserati Centro Sud 0.59.8
6 TBA Cooper T51 Maserati Centro Sud DNA
8 J.Lewis Cooper T53 (F1.6.61)
Climax H&L Motors 1.05.8 DNQ
10 J.Bonnier Porsche 718-204 F4 Porsche 0.59.0
12 D.Gurney Porsche 718-203 F4 Porsche 0.59.0
14 J.Clark Lotus 21-933-Climax Team Lotus 0.59.6
16 I.Ireland Lotus 21-934 Climax Team Lotus 1.00.2 DNQ
18 G.Scarlatti Lotus 18-905 Maserati G.Starrabba 1.01.6
20 R.Pirocchi Cooper T51 (F2.13.59)
Maserati Pescara Racing 1.03.3 DNQ
22 G.Zanarotti de Tomaso F2-001 OSCA de Tomaso 1.03.3 DNQ
24 W.Seidel Lotus 18-373 Climax Sc. Colonia 1.00.4 DNQ
26 S.Moss Lotus 18-912 Climax Rob Walker 0.58.6
28 M.Boffa Cooper T45 Climax Driver 1.02.1 DNQ
30 H.Taylor Lotus 18-918 Climax UDT Laystall 1.00.1
32 M.Gregory Lotus 18-917 Climax UDT Laystall 0.59.7
34 C.de Beaufort Porsche 718-201 F4 Ec. Maarsbergen 1.01.2 DNQ
36 J.Brabham Cooper T53 (F2.5.60)
Climax Driver 0.59.8
38 J.Campbell-Jones Cooper T51 Climax Driver DNA
40 I.Burgess Lotus 18-Climax Camoradi Intl. DNA
42 R.Businello de Tomaso F1-004 Alfa de Tomaso 1.00.4
44 J.Surtees Cooper T53 (F1.1.61)
Climax Yeoman Credit 0.59.8
46 R.Salvadori Cooper T53 (F1.2.61)
Climax Yeoman Credit 0.59.4
48 T.Parnell Lotus 18-904 Climax Driver 1.01.7 DNQ
50 M.Trintignant Cooper T51 Maserati Sc Serenissima 1.00.6 DNQ
52 N.Vaccarella de Tomaso F1-003 Alfa Sc Serenissima 1.02.0 DNQ
54 B.Naylor JBW Maserati JBW Cars DNA
56 R.Lippi de Tomaso F1-002 OSCA Sc Settecolli 1.02.9 DNQ
58 E.Prinoth Lotus 18-Climax Sc Dolomiti DNA
60 "Wal Ever" Cooper T45 (F2.15.58)
OSCA Driver 1.06.4 DNQ
62 G.Hill BRM P48/57-1 Climax Owen Racing Org 0.59.3
64 T.Brooks BRM P48/57-2 Climax Owen Racing Org 1.00.0
66 M.Bianchi Emeryson 1003 Maserati ENB 1.01.2 DNQ


The fastest 3 Italians were guaranteed a start regardless of practice time, which explains the anomalies of qualifying. The rule kept out quick people like Ireland.

Surtees also practised Cooper T53 (VR)-Climax, and both he and Salvadori tried out a Cooper T56 FJ car which Yeoman Credit had attached to a Climax engine

The Race

1 Moss 1.40.08.1 (FL: 0.59.2)
2 Bonnier 1.40.15.1
3 Gurney 1.40.15.4
4 Clark 99 laps
5 Brabham 99 laps
6 Brooks 99 laps
7 G.Hill 99 laps
R Bandini 92 laps con rod
R Businello 75 laps oil pressure (but still a long way for a de Tomaso)
R Salvadori 74 laps engine
NC Gregory 71 laps
R H.Taylor 42 laps head gasket
R Surtees 25 laps engine
R Scarlatti 4 laps engine

Main source of info Rabagliatti and Sheldon's F1 Record Book of 1974
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This is the DSJ report from Motor Sport

MODENA September 3, 1961

It was a long trek from Denmark to Italy but a surprising number of the runners made it and they were joined by many more, but not by any cars from the Ferrari factory, even though the race was only a few miles from Maranaello. Enzo Ferrari was much too busy preparing cars for the Italian GP and quite rightly gave Modena a miss. However, a vast and miscellaneous entry of 36 cars was gathered for the 7th Modena GP, of which 28 turned up for practice on the tiny aerodrome perimeter-track circuit. Moss drove the Walker Lotus-Climax, Bonnier and Gurney had works Porsches, the latter experimenting with disc brakes in practice, Graham Hill and Brooks had BRM-Climax cars, Ireland and Clark were on works Lotus-Climax cars, and Surtees and Salvadori with Yeoman Credit Cooper-Climax cars. Surtees tried a new Yeoman Credit car in practice which had a Formula Junior chassis frame, 2 in. shorter than a Formula One frame, though it used Formula One suspension parts, a Coventry-Climax engine and the latest Colotti gearbox, a type 29, while the car had 5.50x13 in. front wheels. Brabham had his own Cooper-Climax, Gregory and Taylor were on U>D.T.-Laystall Lotus-Climax cars, Parnell his own Lotus-Climax and Lewis his own Cooper-Climax. There were four cars from the small Tomaso factory, two with Osca engines and two with Conrero-modified Alfa Romeo Giulietta engines, and numerous other Continental drivers with old Coopers or Lotus, while Bandini had the Centro-Sud Cooper-Maserati.
The regulations allowed for 14 starters, and the fastest three Italians were guaranteed starts whether in the 14 or not, and this caused Ireland to be dropped after all the practice times were sorted out. Even so, Bandini was qualified anyway, with eighth fastest time, as was Businello (Tomaso-Conrero) who was 14th, but the third fastest Italian was Scarlatti in 19th place with Starrabba’s Lotus-Maserati, so bringing him up into the 14 qualifiers meant dropping Ireland who had been 13th. All very confusing but absolutely according to the regulations, which it seems Team Lotus may not have read! This left Moss, Bonnier, Gurney, G. Hill, Salvadori, Clark, Gregory, Bandini, Surtees, Brabham, Taylor, Brooks, Businello and Scarlatti to dispute the race over 100 laps of the tiny 2.366-kilometre circuit, their practice times running from Moss with 58.6 sec. to Scarlatti with 61.6 sec., so that qualifying deoended a great deal on the luck of the stop-watch.
The stat was given by none other than Fangio, on a visit to Modena, and for the opening laps Gurney, Moss, Surtees, Hill and Gregory raced in close company, but on lap 12 Moss seemed to get tired of fooling around and quickly took the lead and disappeared into the distance, never to be challenged again in what proved to be a not very exciting race. Surtees went out with engine trouble, as did Salvadori in the second Yeoman Credit car, Bandini had his Maserati engine burst into lots of pieces all over the track and Graham Hill got a puncture through running over them, and both U.D.T cars retired. Bonnier and Gurney tried hard to challenge Moss, but the dark blue Lotus was always just too fat ahead and every time the Porsches made up ground Moss quickly replied with an equal spurt so that this pursuit race lasted until the 100th lap, with Moss setting a record lap in his 98th lap.

1. S.Moss (Lotus-Climax), 1hr 40m 08.1s, 141.770 kph
2. J.Bonnier (Porsche), 1hr 40m 15.1s
3. D.Gurney (Porsche), 1hr 40m 15.4s
4. J.Clark, (Lotus-Climax), 1 lap behind
5. J.Brabham (Cooper-Climax), 1 lap behind
6. C.A.S.Brooks (BRM-Climax), 1 lap behind
7. G.Hill (BRM-Climax), 1 lap behind

Fastest Lap: S.Moss (Lotus-Climax) on lap 98 in 57.8 sec – 147.363 kph

Retired:
G.Scarlatti (Lotus-Maserati) lap 5
J.Surtees (Cooper-Climax) lap 25
H.C.Taylor (Lotus-Climax) lap 43
L.Bandini (Cooper-Maserati) lap 74
R.Businello (Tomaso-Conrero) lap 76
R.Salvadori (Cooper-Climax) lap 78
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Thanks a lot guys!

I noticed that the three fastest Italians were guaranteed starting spots regarless of practice time. I had read that the British drivers boycotted the 1960 Italian Grand Prix because of track safety concerns along with the fact that the Italian Automobile Club's propensity to "make things unpleasant for the foreigner" as found in magazine article. I wonder if guaranteed starting spots for Italian drivers was one of their beefs.
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There is no mention of that reason in DSJ's report on the 1960 Italian GP, just the British teams' dislike of the banking. Jenkinson didn't seem to have much time for their attitude, calling it "strong arm tactics" and branding the drivers "Grand Prima Donnas".
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June 5, 1927, Modena Circuit, 30 laps x 12.000 km = 360 km
(sports cars) 20 starters, 17 classified

1. Enzo Ferrari (Alfa Romeo 6C 1500 S) 3h20m25.8s at 107.601 km/h
2. Attilio Marinoni (Alfa Romeo 6C 1500 S) 3h20m26.4s
3. Giulio Aggazzotti (Bugatti T35) 3h33m47.0s
FL Aymo Maggi (Isotta Fraschini) in 6m18.4s at 114.226 km/h

May 20, 1928, Modena Circuit, 30 laps x 12.000 km = 360 km
(sports cars) 17 starters, 10 classified

1. Enzo Ferrari (Alfa Romeo 6C 1500 SS) 2h57m53.4s at 121.423 km/h
2. Angelo Chieregato (Alfa Romeo RLSS) 3h07m45.2s
3. Giulio Aggazzotti (Bugatti T35) 3h11m22.6s
FL Enzo Ferrari (Alfa Romeo) in 5m48.6s at 123.924 km/h

October 14, 1934, Modena Circuit, 40 laps x 3.200 km = 128 km
(racing cars) 18 entries, 11 starters, 9 classified

1. Tazio Nuvolari (Maserati 6C 34) 1h10m54.0s at 108.321 km/h
2. Achille Varzi (Alfa Romeo Type B/P3 2.9) 1h12m20.4s
3. Mario Tadini (Alfa Romeo Type B/P3 2.9) 1h12m25.6s
4. Nando Barbieri (Alfa Romeo Type B/P3) – 38 laps (retired)
5. Pietro Ghersi (Alfa Romeo Type B/P3) 1h11m01.0s – 38 laps
6. Guglielmo Sandri (Maserati 26M) 1h12m19.0s – 38 laps
7. Luigio Soffietti (Maserati 8CM) 1h12m27.0s – 37 laps
8. Giovanni Gornaggia-Medici (Alfa Romeo 8C-2300 Monza) 1h11m45.6s – 35 laps
9. Secondo Corsi (Alfa Romeo Type B/P3) 1h11m46.6s – 35 laps
NF Lelio Pellegrini (Alfa Romeo 8C-2300 Monza) – 30 laps – mechanical
NF Gianfranco Comotti (Alfa Romeo Type B/P3) – 16 laps – mechanical
FL Tazio Nuvolari (Alfa Romeo) in 1m43.8s in 110.982 km/h

September 15, 1935, Modena Circuit, 60 laps x 3.200 km = 192 km
(racing cars) 10 entries, 8 starters, 5 finishers

1. Tazio Nuvolari (Alfa Romeo 8C-35) 1h47m57.4s at 106.070 km/h
2. Mario Tadini (Alfa Romeo Type B/P3 3.2) 1h48m12.4s
3. Carlo Pintacuda (Alfa Romeo Type B/P3 3.2) 1h48.19s
4. Antonio Brivio (Alfa Romeo Type B/P3 3.2) 1h48m22.4s
5. Emilio Romano (Alfa Romeo) – 50 laps
NF Attilio Marinoni (Alfa Romeo Type B/P3 3.2) – 45 laps
NF Gianfranco Comotti (Alfa Romeo Type B/P3 3.2) – 8 laps (brakes)
NF Giuseppe Farina (Maserati V8R1) – 7 laps (fuel tank)
NS Carlo Pintacuda (Alfa Romeo Type B/P3 3.2) – did not arrive –
NS Victor Malucci (Maserati 6C 34) – did not arrive –
FL Tazio Nuvolari (Alfa Romeo) in 1m44.0s in 110.769 km/h

September 20, 1936, Modena Circuit, 50 laps x 3.200 km = 160 km
(racing cars) 12 entries, 11 starters, 7 classified

1. Tazio Nuvolari (Alfa Romeo 12C-36) 1h26m58.4s at 110.378 km/h
2. Mario Tadini (Alfa Romeo 8C-35) 1h27m07.8s
3. Giuseppe Farina (Alfa Romeo 8C-35) 1h27m07.0s – 49 laps
4. Francesco Severi (Alfa Romeo 8C 2900A) 1h28m34.4s – 47 laps
5. Nando? Barbieri (Maserati) 1h27m33.4s – 46 laps
6. Gianni Battaglia (Alfa Romeo) 1h28m02.0s – 46 laps
7. Piero Dusio (Maserati) 1h28m17.0s – 46 laps
NF Carlo Pintacuda (Alfa Romeo 8C 2900A) – 10 laps (differential)
NF Giacomo de Rham (Alfa Romeo Type B/P3) – 6 laps (mechanical)
NF Pietro Ghersi (Maserati 6C 34) – 6 laps – (differential)
NF Clemente Biondetti (Alfa Romeo Type B/P3) – 1 lap –
NS Eugenio Siena (Maserati V8R1) – did not arrive –
FL Tazio Nuvolari (Alfa Romeo) in 1m41.6s in 113.385 km/h

September 18, 1938, Modena Circuit, 55 laps x 3.200 km = 176 km
(1.5-liter racing cars) 20 entries, 19 starters, 4 finishers

1. Franco Cortese (Maserati) 1h43m54.6s at 101.626 km/h
2. Armand Hug (Maserati) 1h43m54.4s – 54 laps
3. Austin Dobson (ERA) 1h43m58.2s – 52 laps
4. Enrico Platè (Maserati) 1h44m19.6s – 48 laps
NF Raymond Sommer (Alfa Romeo 158) – 37 laps (oil pressure)
NF etc.
FL Emilio Villoresi (Maserati) in 1m48.6s in 106.077 km/h
 
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David McKinney should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
E Villoresi drove an Alfa Romeo 158 in the 1938 race (and did indeed set fastest lap). Brother Luigi's Maserati was among the retirements
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