Vauxhall Budget for develop the Vectra?

10tacle · 26 Oct 2008, 16:01 (Ref:2321147)

Does anybody knows the nearly budget vauxhall invested to develop the 3 s2000 Vectras and how much a season cost to run the 3 cars.

10tacle · 26 Oct 2008, 17:36 (Ref:2321182)

mhh, can't edit my post.. sorry for doubleposting.

If anyone has information what Chevy, Seat or BMW is nearly paying for one season to run WTCC would be nice to know, too.

**FIRE** · 26 Oct 2008, 18:15 (Ref:2321193)

Is your real name Adrian Campos?

**FIRE** · 26 Oct 2008, 18:22 (Ref:2321196)

At the end of last year Eric Neve (Chevrolet) said that for every Euro they invested they got a return of almost 2 Euro. In total they had a return of investment of 26 million Euro.

Source: http://www.pitstoptv.info/pitstop/?p=3646

So for 2007 they had a budget of around 12 million Euro.

Gil Abobeleira · 26 Oct 2008, 18:32 (Ref:2321204)

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Originally Posted by FIRE

So for 2007 they had a budget of around 12 million Euro.

12 million just for a season of WTCC? That's stupidly expensive for the type of racing...

redshoes · 26 Oct 2008, 18:43 (Ref:2321209)

What their budget was and what they spent developing/running the team are two very different things. The total budget will include all the hospitality, PR and publicity costs - for every pound you spend on racing you needs to spend at least as much again telling the world you are racing.

Aslak Vind · 26 Oct 2008, 19:04 (Ref:2321218)

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Originally Posted by FIRE

Is your real name Adrian Campos?

sceptic · 26 Oct 2008, 19:06 (Ref:2321222)

Vauxhall's BTCC budget is around Â£3m pa.

10tacle · 26 Oct 2008, 19:28 (Ref:2321235)

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Originally Posted by FIRE

Is your real name Adrian Campos?

How did you...

12 mio. for 3 cars is a lot. I ask because i had a discussion about costs @ DTM and WTCC/BTCC.

Dr. Ulrich (Head of Audi Motorsport) pretended to say that the budget of Audi in the DTM is like the same Seat is paying for WTCC.
Audi dump 30-35 Mio. Euros a season to run 9 cars and i can't believe that a season with 6 TDI Leon's will cost nearly the same. Okay they have more races and more distance to cover, but anyway.

Wiechers run 2005 there car for Marc Henerici (Independent Champion) under 1 Mio. Euro for the whole Season, and N.Technology built and run a compete race car for roundabout 2-3 Mio. Euros...

**FIRE** · 26 Oct 2008, 19:38 (Ref:2321243)

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Originally Posted by 10tacle

Dr. Ulrich (Head of Audi Motorsport) pretended to say that the budget of Audi in the DTM is like the same Seat is paying for WTCC.
Audi dump 30-35 Mio. Euros a season to run 9 cars and i can't believe that a season with 6 TDI Leon's will cost nearly the same. Okay they have more races and more distance to cover, but anyway.

Maybe he means the entry of an Audi DTM car costs the same as a SEAT WTCC car? So the entry of a single car costs around 3m-4m Euro but because Audi enters more cars their total budget is bigger?

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Originally Posted by 10tacle

Wiechers run 2005 there car for Marc Henerici (Independent Champion) under 1 Mio. Euro for the whole Season, and N.Technology built and run a compete race car for roundabout 2-3 Mio. Euros...

If I remember well a full season privateer car costs around 400k-600k Euro.

10tacle · 26 Oct 2008, 20:04 (Ref:2321261)

no, he means the complete manufacture budget for one season.
30 - 35 Mio. Euro costs for a DTM season is a known fact, Mercedes puplished that month ago and the ITR announced plans to reduce the costs by 30% to 20 Mio. Euro a season for the season 2010.

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If I remember well a full season privateer car costs around 400k-600k Euro.

with or without logistics

**FIRE** · 26 Oct 2008, 20:13 (Ref:2321270)

I assume with

M-Power · 27 Oct 2008, 20:27 (Ref:2322072)

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Originally Posted by FIRE

Maybe he means the entry of an Audi DTM car costs the same as a SEAT WTCC car? So the entry of a single car costs around 3m-4m Euro but because Audi enters more cars their total budget is bigger?

If I remember well a full season privateer car costs around 400k-600k Euro.

A privatteam like Engstler Motorsport needs 650.000 Euros exclusive the costs for hospitality and promotion.

Icebaby · 29 Oct 2008, 07:28 (Ref:2323167)

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Originally Posted by sceptic

Vauxhall's BTCC budget is around Â£3m pa.

I expected this to be alot higher bearing in mind they have two works paid drivers on board.

sceptic · 31 Oct 2008, 22:46 (Ref:2325134)

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Originally Posted by Icebaby

I expected this to be a lot higher bearing in mind they have two works paid drivers on board.

There isn't a lot of scope for spending money: Testing is heavily restricted.
The drivers probably account for just under a third of the budget.

Martin Haven · 2 Nov 2008, 14:18 (Ref:2325879)

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Originally Posted by redshoes

What their budget was and what they spent developing/running the team are two very different things. The total budget will include all the hospitality, PR and publicity costs - for every pound you spend on racing you needs to spend at least as much again telling the world you are racing.

Goodyear used to say that for every dollar they spent on racing in F1 - or anywhere else - they spent 10 dollars telling everybody what they were doing...

TV ads, newspaper ads, magazines, tyre dealers, posters etc etc etc...

so, anyone spending at the rate of two to one can hardly be surprised if the public still don't know what WTCC is and who is involved...

nickyf1 · 2 Nov 2008, 15:13 (Ref:2325901)

I have always thought that a domestic championship is much more marketable and well known than the WTCC, I have seen no billboards or adverts with a WTCC car in it, but I have seen some billboards with BTCC cars on it (e.g, SEAT, Vauxhall). Not sure about other countires.

awrb · 2 Nov 2008, 15:36 (Ref:2325911)

I seem to remember Vauxhall claiming they had great reponse to those 'A to BTCC' ad's, and halfords always have posters of Team Dynamics cars.

You don't see any posters of WTCC cars at all though, and I think thats something that does need sorting. That and proper freeview coverage. It is easier to promote a local series though, if only because they only need to promote in one country.

At least if VX had good response to the BTCC ads it means they're working, and we're gona have VXR in the series for a long time.

kmchow · 2 Nov 2008, 23:59 (Ref:2326511)

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Originally Posted by Icebaby

I expected this to be alot higher bearing in mind they have two works paid drivers on board.

The last time we discussed salaries, I thought we came down with the conclusion that touring car drivers just don't make the same amount of money like they used to b/c of all the up and coming drivers who would work for little or no money just to get noticed?

JAG · 3 Nov 2008, 20:46 (Ref:2327304)

Weren't BTCC budgets around £6m in the mid to late 90's?

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