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10 Dec 2009, 22:08 (Ref:2597510) | #51 | |
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any word on AMR in this?
i've heard that they may do some ALMS alongside a full LMS program. but i cant see it happening really |
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ACO racing has to step up it's game in the face of the spectacular, factory backed, shows Super GT and the DTM put on. The cream of the crop needs to be competing against each other in a recognised ACO series. |
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spectacular DTM show ?? .. that's a bit of an overstatement ..
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Unless I've missed an announcement somehwhere, AMR sold two of their three cars and might sit out 2010 and come back in 2011, with a brand new car. We may see those two '09 cars in private teams though.
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Well, the AMR LMPs have yet to show in the ALMS at all, but yes, point taken.
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It is a very odd time to introduce such a cup. I guess they're hoping that Audi's involvement may start the ball rolling.
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IMSA kept cars like the 962 and Spice GTP's relatively competitive long after Europe, that could be repeated with current LMP's, for example the 908 and R10. |
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It is perfect, I believe. If the ACO didn't make this cup, Audi and Peugeot could possibly drop the Sebring 12 Hours, Petit Le Mans and even the LM24 too. By making this cup, they make sure that both of them keep racing at least a few races per year (five in 2010), with the hope that the economy recovers and these carmakers (and new ones) invest again money in new automotive technologies in the form of sports prototypes.
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Now those manufactuer's, if all goes to plan, will be competing against each other in half a dozen races. What's more there didn't appear much prospect of Audi or Peugeot competing, season long, in either the LMS or ALMS, so what's the alternative, manufactuer's sitting on the sidelines, confirming a couple of entries weeks before an event? The Asian events also opens up the possibilty of Japanease manufactuer's competing in the LMIC, whereas Toyota and Nissan only competed at Le Mans and in a single Suzuka 1000km in the late 90's. |
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And every year, nearly every event through the 80's and 90's in IMSA. Nissan, Mazda (at Daytona, anyway), and Toyota in GTP; Nissan and Mazda in GTO/U.
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Nobody is coming back until the rules stop favouring the diesels. This is a quote from the ALMSfans forum, when discussing Ferrari building a Prototype.. It is excerpts and not the full post. Quote:
It's existence costs the ALMS and the LMS, regular season entries, and funding. If the requirement is to run to full ACO rules at these races, it discourages other entries into the ALMS, knowing that at the premier races they'll lose, because the rules will be stacked against them. It probably is a good thing in Europe, as you haven't had these quality entries for long. Our series has depended on it, and without them... were dead, or requiring a massive change. That massive change could mean no Intercontinental Cup in North America... then what do you have? |
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so what are the possibilities of making this into a World Championship, without completely decapitating the LMS and ALMS, if any? for those who have been following sportscars longer than i have, are we witnessing the signs of another drastic change in the sport? |
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In all the years I have followed sports car racing, there have been many decisions made (political and rule changes etc), that have brought out the doomsday predictions for the category. It is a bit unfortunate that the ALMS which, arguably, has been the strongest series (in recent times) up till the end of 2008, is now the series that seems to be copping it in the neck, big time. I realise that the ACO is looking at the big picture worldwide, but it seems like a big kick in the guts to the most popular series in sports car racing. From a long way across the other side of the world, it always seemed to me that the ACO and the ALMS worked well together for the successful promotion of sports car racing world wide, or at least in Europe and the U.S.
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It was effectively the LMIC or nothing for the manufactuer's. In this media age there is no need for almost twenty ACO regs races across three continents, only a handful of which had world class grids this year. The LMIC will effectively finish off the LMS, but that's a price worth paying IF the LMIC grows to eight or so rounds, with three in Europe. A Silverstone ACO round should have manufactuer battles and a 40k-50k attendance, as in 2008, not the low key events so many have been. |
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Or perhaps finish off LMP1 in LMS, but not the series as a whole seeing that the Cup/Challenge is only for P1 cars. With the new production/GT2-based engines only P2s in 2010 that might actually make for a pretty interesting series with Porsche, BMW and Ferrari powered prototypes competing for class wins. |
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With the Intercontinental Cup having only full-endurance races, perhaps the ACO will try adding to the 2011 Euro Le Mans calendar "not so endurance" races, don't you think? FIA GT European races will last 60 to 120 minutes, so those teams looking for longer races may have enough with four hours or 800km, for example.
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What "other entries into the ALMS" is it discouraging? |
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