Street Circuit Challenge - Page 4

Quintin03 · 10 Oct 2009, 20:30 (Ref:2558358)

Litchfield, I think Bernard E. and Alan Wilson have been watching this forum because the've designed a grand prix track with many similarities to your New York track.

This is almost scary.

duke_toaster · 10 Oct 2009, 21:37 (Ref:2558410)

The again there is the list of problems as outlined. If there will be a race in the New York metro area, realistically it will be at somewhere like The Meadowlands. Actually, realistically New York is unlikely. LA might be a better option for a number of reasons (local politics, better choice of car parks, time differences, easier to bundle in to Asian races, ease of road closures).

nickyf1 · 13 Oct 2009, 22:29 (Ref:2560863)

Just race at Watkins Glen? Would be much much much better lol!

Quintin03 · 14 Oct 2009, 04:28 (Ref:2561001)

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Originally Posted by nickyf1

Just race at Watkins Glen? Would be much much much better lol!

Much much dangerous don't you mean? No run-off at esses, first turn of the boot and very little at final turn.

nickyf1 · 14 Oct 2009, 08:22 (Ref:2561080)

Well its not exactly a bloodbath is it? It may not have as much runoff as a Tilke track, but its not like there would be a crash every single lap, but then again mabey if F1 drivers actualy had proper race craft the F1 calendar would be much more interesting..

Anyway, it was a semi-joke

But seriously, with the esses, no more dangerous than the Casino down to Mirabeau section at Monaco, or the first part of the swimming pool section? The kink before the Hairpin at Montreal where Kubica went off? Plus the cars wont be going much over 120-130 before they turn in for the final corner, the only change really to be made is the chicane on the straight, perhaps changing it for a Barcelona style chicane, and changes would need to be made to the entrance to the Boot. But then again, the FIA seem to think F1 needs acres and acres of tarmac runoff because before they introduced them, F1 was having fatal accidents every week.. I'm all for safety in F1, don't get me wrong, but thats my slightly off topic rant...

Anyway, back to street circuits.

duke_toaster · 14 Oct 2009, 15:45 (Ref:2561375)

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Originally Posted by nickyf1

Just race at Watkins Glen? Would be much much much better lol!

Watkins Glen is also nowhere near New York City or anywhere else major. New York isn't the be all and end all, a while ago I posted a carpark track for Los Angeles.

MKTurismo · 25 Oct 2009, 03:01 (Ref:2569055)

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Originally Posted by werner

I nominate my circuit in Vlissingen i proposed a while ago in this topic

Vlissingen is not a very large city, about 50.000 inhabitants, but it has the look and feel of a much larger city. The reasons are the large hotels along the boulevard, and the important seaport, including ferryservices to the UK. The amount of hotels, actually located inside of the circuit, make the city a good place to host a large event. A disadvantage is that the city is quite far away for most people, and the region itself had not got to much inhabitants. Alhough a lot of you from larger countries will laugh about what Dutch call large distances.

The clockwise track is located near the seafront. The paddock is located on a large parkinglot. The start is at the Spuitkomweg. The first corner is a kink to the left. The first sharp corner to the right, into the Coosje Buskenstreet is a difficult one, because of the small righthandkink in the brakingzone.
After a small straight, one of the most important corners follows: a 90 degree righthander with a twist in the exit leads onto the long straight over the boulevard. Thousends of people can watch the action here from the grandstands at the beach. At the end of the boulevard, just in front of the highest tower in the city, the drivers have to brake very hard for a very tight chicane that leads to a road at the back of the boulevardbuildings.
The scenery changes quite dramtically, as the road is surrounded here by the large trees of the Nollenbos (bos = forest). Fully accelerating the road changes from straight into a long lefthander into an even longer righthander. Although still going fast, maximum throttle is not possible anymore. Without ever getting straight again, this bend leads into the difficult breakingzone of a 90 degree righthander.
Then follows a long straight surrounded by nice villa's, long enought to bring the cars to very high speeds. It is with such speeds that the drivers approach the scariest corner of the tracks, or indeed the championship. As said, a very high speed approach, then a lefthand fast kink, with every centimeter that you leave between the barrier at the exit costing you a lot of time, but 1 cm to far out can cost you you car. And it is important going fast when you are under attack. Taking this corner to slow means you are a sitting duck at the next corner for the driver behind you if he manages to get a good exit. Luckily for the safety the barrier is at the passengers-side of the cars. On the picture you can see that corner. The picture looks back to the exit of the kink. In the background you can see the exit of the chicane at the end of the boulevard.
That next corner brings the drivers back to the start of this 3km long track.

I thought this location and design was quite impressive.
The NY courses really look intense also!

jab · 13 Nov 2009, 21:25 (Ref:2581603)

How about this circuit in St Louis around the Gateway Arch and Busch Stadium? Not the most challenging street circuit I've done but it's a great setting

Warren Hughes · 24 Nov 2009, 15:46 (Ref:2588469)

This is a quick sketch of a Calais track I'm working on. A proper, more detailed version of it (like for my Paris track earlier in the thread) should hopefully be appearing soon.
http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=3337741

andylaurence · 20 Dec 2009, 19:35 (Ref:2602851)

I can't believe there's a forum for this. I thought it was just me who liked plotting potential venues! Admittedly, most of my layouts are for sprints and hillclimbs but I thought I'd add my submission for the Bristol Grand Prix. Admittedly, street furniture would need addressing in some areas.

Quintin03 · 20 Dec 2009, 21:07 (Ref:2602892)

You don't have a single long straight in there. That's realy one of the main requirements. It's good for a starter around here though.

andylaurence · 20 Dec 2009, 21:31 (Ref:2602901)

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Originally Posted by Quintin03

You don't have a single long straight in there. That's realy one of the main requirements. It's good for a starter around here though.

That's a fair point. The main straight is only half a mile long, although I suspect it's flat from the left-hander after the first hairpin. Still, that's more than enough for anything this side of an F1 car. I've also come up with the Cheltenham Grand Prix, which doesn't look as good in Google Maps as it would be from behind the wheel. There's some good cambers and small elevation changes that'd make life fun along with two straights of 0.6 and 0.7 miles, respectively. There's also a variety of pit lane options.

bio · 21 Dec 2009, 21:47 (Ref:2603409)

I don't think there is a problem with speed here, so no real need of long straights - I like the design.

bio

Quintin03 · 21 Dec 2009, 22:15 (Ref:2603423)

Straights aren't there only to provide speed but also to provide a decent spot to rest and start the race. To me every international circuit should have atleast one 600 metre straight and atleast 400 metres from pole position to turn one.

andylaurence · 21 Dec 2009, 22:47 (Ref:2603443)

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Originally Posted by Quintin03

Straights aren't there only to provide speed but also to provide a decent spot to rest and start the race. To me every international circuit should have atleast one 600 metre straight and atleast 400 metres from pole position to turn one.

Both my submissions fit those requirements, although the Bristol one only just does - the start/finish straight is just 520 metres. The back stretch is ~800 metres and the roundabout over the top could be used as a pit lane, meaning there's an easy way to make a straight and 400m to the first corner.

Anyway, these solutions may be better:

Durdam Downs
This is a practical track, only utilising one major road with lots of room for grandstands in the park. It's also often used for various events, so there's a precedent.

Clifton
Somewhat less practical, but look at those elevation changes! This would be a challenging circuit. There's several options for pit lanes but the two obvious points are where I've marked the start/finish and on Jacobs Wells Road, although that'd be a horrible hill to start a race on!

jab · 22 Dec 2009, 12:15 (Ref:2603632)

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Originally Posted by Quintin03

Straights aren't there only to provide speed but also to provide a decent spot to rest and start the race. To me every international circuit should have atleast one 600 metre straight and atleast 400 metres from pole position to turn one.

Monaco doesn't have a 600m straight

Welcome Andy. Some very nice designs there that I can appreciate without being pedantic

Quintin03 · 22 Dec 2009, 14:56 (Ref:2603690)

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Originally Posted by jab

Monaco doesn't have a 600m straight.

Did I ever say I considered Monaco an international circuit?

duke_toaster · 24 Dec 2009, 21:06 (Ref:2604809)

Monaco has a whole load of waivers from Appendix O. Most circuits I design have a 1km+ straight.

crozier74 · 30 Dec 2009, 04:43 (Ref:2606259)

Welcome Andy. Very nice designs, good work

Meanwhile, I've kinda backtracked from my Salvador design after IndyCar announced that the opening round will now in fact be taking place in Sao Paulo, lol. Been scavenging the net trying to see if there are any layouts, but to no avail. That said, have found some rumours (here) regarding the race's proposed location. Given this, had a crack myself.

Sao Paulo
3.6 miles / 5.8 km
21 turns
Clockwise
S/F on riverside road (Av. Marginal Tiete), pitlane on other side of carriageway

Seems like another guy has also had a crack at the same idea. I prefer mine tbh

crozier74 · 30 Dec 2009, 05:05 (Ref:2606263)

Just after I posted, realised a change I'd maybe like to make. Would help add a bit of variety (avoids too many 90s, adds in a hairpin), and would also make the corner at the start of the esses far more daunting

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/478...correction.jpg

Quintin03 · 30 Dec 2009, 14:16 (Ref:2606408)

Those look great. Much better than the rumours I've seen. To my knowledge they want to create a circuit with a long straight, a double 90 degree righthander onto the sambodrome, the only left after that and another two rights following.

jab · 13 Jan 2010, 15:09 (Ref:2612774)

Might struggle for paddock space, but here's something I've just cooked up around some of the famous streets of Bath, including the Royal Crescent and the Circus

Obviously this isn't very realistic because a race around Grade I listed buildings wouldn't go down well, to say the least, but it's a nice dream

ECW Dan Selby · 14 Jan 2010, 09:31 (Ref:2613172)

I like that one, jab. Good work.

Selby

jab · 18 Mar 2010, 22:53 (Ref:2655212)

I've done a few street circuits in Cardiff in the past but I think this one is the best so far - good length, a variety of corners and track widths, a great backdrop, and hopefully some overtaking

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