Home  
Site Partners: SpotterGuides Veloce Books  
Related Sites: Your Link Here  

Go Back   TenTenths Motorsport Forum > Saloon & Sportscar Racing > National & Club Racing

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 18 Sep 2012, 17:06 (Ref:3137923)   #351
MartinSmith
Subscriber
Veteran
 
MartinSmith's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
England
Essex
Posts: 2,413
MartinSmith has a real shot at the podium!MartinSmith has a real shot at the podium!MartinSmith has a real shot at the podium!MartinSmith has a real shot at the podium!MartinSmith has a real shot at the podium!
Quote:
Originally Posted by Al Weyman View Post
I realise all that Claire I am not stutid (don't answer that lol). My response is in that the CTCRC has the same right to promote their new series as all the others have.

Absolutely, therefore you have gone full circle because , if you say they can promote their new series, you can't then have a moan at others for doing it, you can't then say "depleated grids are caused by too many series" because people in glass houses should not throw stones.


Therefore surely this has now reached the point where its just going round and around and a bit like me on Sunday, aint improving! (Actually I did, I got down to 2.06 which ainyt bad considering I was bad! Ha ha )

Seriously I am all for suggesting new ways forward but just complaining about tyhe status quo (or any other band) doesn't and won't change the status quo
MartinSmith is offline  
__________________
Martin Smith
Clerk of the Course, 3 times Race of Remembrance class Winner
Organising Committee and regs writer of ROR, Chair and owner of 360 Motor Racing Club
Quote
Old 18 Sep 2012, 17:30 (Ref:3137940)   #352
Piglet
Veteran
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Posts: 3,664
Piglet should be qualifying in the top 3 on the gridPiglet should be qualifying in the top 3 on the gridPiglet should be qualifying in the top 3 on the grid
Quote:
Originally Posted by ClaireSmith View Post
Therefore surely this has now reached the point where its just going round and around and a bit like me on Sunday, aint improving! (Actually I did, I got down to 2.06 which ainyt bad considering I was bad! Ha ha )
O/T Actually looking at the lap analysis you got down to 2:04.853 - time set on lap 45 which must have been you in the car - very good!
Piglet is offline  
Quote
Old 18 Sep 2012, 19:37 (Ref:3138035)   #353
Al Weyman
Veteran
 
Al Weyman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
England
South of Watford (just)
Posts: 14,699
Al Weyman has a real shot at the podium!Al Weyman has a real shot at the podium!Al Weyman has a real shot at the podium!Al Weyman has a real shot at the podium!
I was only having a moan as response to others having a moan about CTCRC's plans. For what its worth whether I carry on racing or not all depends on the business that comes through the door and I suspect that a lot of others are in the same boat. I never meant to be disrespectful to the poster who said he got into debt to race but IMHO I personally think thats the same as borrowing money to go on holiday and is folly and dangerous to ones future well being so the bottom line again in my opinion is the sport will basically sink or swim based on the participants disposable income and if and when the economy picks up so will the grid sizes, just a bit of help to keep it going till then from the track owners etc would be handy.
Al Weyman is offline  
__________________
You can't polish a turd but you sure can sprinkle it with glitter!
Quote
Old 18 Sep 2012, 19:46 (Ref:3138045)   #354
Peter Mallett
The Honourable Mallett
20KPINAL
 
Peter Mallett's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 1999
England
Here and there
Posts: 37,639
Peter Mallett is the undisputed Champion of the World!Peter Mallett is the undisputed Champion of the World!Peter Mallett is the undisputed Champion of the World!Peter Mallett is the undisputed Champion of the World!Peter Mallett is the undisputed Champion of the World!Peter Mallett is the undisputed Champion of the World!Peter Mallett is the undisputed Champion of the World!Peter Mallett is the undisputed Champion of the World!Peter Mallett is the undisputed Champion of the World!Peter Mallett is the undisputed Champion of the World!Peter Mallett is the undisputed Champion of the World!
It's not just the CTCRC Al.
Peter Mallett is offline  
Quote
Old 22 Sep 2012, 16:42 (Ref:3139996)   #355
historic racer
Rookie
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 91
historic racer should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
Just seen that today at BARC Oulton meeting by combining three series/champs they had a magnificent seven entry's. Head out the sand time !!!!
historic racer is offline  
Quote
Old 22 Sep 2012, 17:03 (Ref:3140001)   #356
Al Weyman
Veteran
 
Al Weyman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
England
South of Watford (just)
Posts: 14,699
Al Weyman has a real shot at the podium!Al Weyman has a real shot at the podium!Al Weyman has a real shot at the podium!Al Weyman has a real shot at the podium!
Absolutely I could see it coming which is one reason why I didnt pull all the glass windows out of my 72 Chevy or fit fibre glass panels and sticky tyres, at least I am hoping it will still have places it can run if worse comes to worse, big shame they were two great championships.
Al Weyman is offline  
__________________
You can't polish a turd but you sure can sprinkle it with glitter!
Quote
Old 22 Sep 2012, 17:46 (Ref:3140014)   #357
terence
Veteran
 
terence's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Germany
Nordschleife
Posts: 12,853
terence should be qualifying in the top 10 on the gridterence should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
Seems to me the best action to take is vote with your feet,if clubs go under,or feel thats the way they are going,perhaps then you might get some action in the UK?
terence is offline  
__________________
Living the dream,Chief instruktor and racing on the worlds best circuits-The Nordschleife and Spa.Getting to drive the worlds best cars-someone has to do it, so glad its me.
Quote
Old 22 Sep 2012, 17:59 (Ref:3140018)   #358
Al Weyman
Veteran
 
Al Weyman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
England
South of Watford (just)
Posts: 14,699
Al Weyman has a real shot at the podium!Al Weyman has a real shot at the podium!Al Weyman has a real shot at the podium!Al Weyman has a real shot at the podium!
Its a good club run by decent people they have other championships still going strong its just the two for thr pre 74's and pre 83's that are suffering. I think it is as much to do with the rocketing value of cars from this era as much as anything else. If you build an old RS2000 for example 10 or 12 years ago and it stands you in 4 or 5 grand then suddenly it becomes worth 10 times that what do you do? Risk a 30k machine on a club championship which is a bit down the pecking order or cash in, I think this is a major contributing factor to what is now happening in some spheres of motorsport. Even my 2nd Gen car is now coming into the frame, a mate of mine just got 17k for a road car and it was nice but not perfect! Maybe I'll sell up and do a budget 2 litre for their new series be a whole lot less grief thats for sure!
Al Weyman is offline  
__________________
You can't polish a turd but you sure can sprinkle it with glitter!
Quote
Old 22 Sep 2012, 20:49 (Ref:3140056)   #359
Dave Brand
Veteran
 
Dave Brand's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
England
Hadfield, Derbyshire (UK)
Posts: 6,359
Dave Brand is going for a new lap record!Dave Brand is going for a new lap record!Dave Brand is going for a new lap record!Dave Brand is going for a new lap record!Dave Brand is going for a new lap record!Dave Brand is going for a new lap record!
Quote:
Originally Posted by historic racer View Post
Just seen that today at BARC Oulton meeting by combining three series/champs they had a magnificent seven entry's. Head out the sand time !!!!
Would that by any chance be the same meeting at which one championship had seven reserves?
Dave Brand is offline  
__________________
Doing an important job doesn't make you an important person.
Quote
Old 23 Sep 2012, 06:52 (Ref:3140154)   #360
Al Weyman
Veteran
 
Al Weyman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
England
South of Watford (just)
Posts: 14,699
Al Weyman has a real shot at the podium!Al Weyman has a real shot at the podium!Al Weyman has a real shot at the podium!Al Weyman has a real shot at the podium!
Quote:
Originally Posted by terence bower View Post
Seems to me the best action to take is vote with your feet,if clubs go under,or feel thats the way they are going,perhaps then you might get some action in the UK?
As I said before it seems many have already. Intersting about the 7 reserves, it seems to me the less restrictions and rules in a series and the more of a catch all they are then the more successful they are especially if allowing stuff like Caterhams
Al Weyman is offline  
__________________
You can't polish a turd but you sure can sprinkle it with glitter!
Quote
Old 23 Sep 2012, 12:10 (Ref:3140269)   #361
historic racer
Rookie
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 91
historic racer should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Brand View Post
Would that by any chance be the same meeting at which one championship had seven reserves?
And the point of your remark is ????????????
Im not talking about the championship you refer to, kindly apply yourself to what championships I have commented on.
historic racer is offline  
Quote
Old 23 Sep 2012, 18:30 (Ref:3140456)   #362
indigorallye
Racer
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
England
Cheshire
Posts: 121
indigorallye should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Brand View Post
Would that by any chance be the same meeting at which one championship had seven reserves?
Just for interest, it would have been more than seven but the MSA stipulate a 20% rule. ie 20% of the max starters can be taken on as reserves. CNC is a pretty dam good championship.
indigorallye is offline  
Quote
Old 23 Sep 2012, 18:40 (Ref:3140466)   #363
Dave Brand
Veteran
 
Dave Brand's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
England
Hadfield, Derbyshire (UK)
Posts: 6,359
Dave Brand is going for a new lap record!Dave Brand is going for a new lap record!Dave Brand is going for a new lap record!Dave Brand is going for a new lap record!Dave Brand is going for a new lap record!Dave Brand is going for a new lap record!
Quote:
Originally Posted by historic racer View Post
And the point of your remark is ????????????
Balance.

If you want to confine yourself to CTCRC championships, the other races had entries (numbers from the programme) of 14, 29 & 21. The race with 7 entries (8 in the programme) originally included a class for the Alfa Romeo Owners' Club Series. For some reason that didn't happen - if it had, the numbers would probably have been in the low 20s. We do have to accept that a one-day meeting at Oulton on a Saturday may not be very attractive to some drivers, particularly so late in the season, & I'm sure several drivers would have been only too happy to have been there had their cars been drivable!

Out of interest the Caterham classes had 14, 28 & 17 entries, the CNC Heads 41.

Head in the sand? Not from where I stand!
Dave Brand is offline  
__________________
Doing an important job doesn't make you an important person.
Quote
Old 23 Sep 2012, 18:48 (Ref:3140469)   #364
Dave Brand
Veteran
 
Dave Brand's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
England
Hadfield, Derbyshire (UK)
Posts: 6,359
Dave Brand is going for a new lap record!Dave Brand is going for a new lap record!Dave Brand is going for a new lap record!Dave Brand is going for a new lap record!Dave Brand is going for a new lap record!Dave Brand is going for a new lap record!
Quote:
Originally Posted by Al Weyman View Post
it seems to me the less restrictions and rules in a series and the more of a catch all they are then the more successful they are especially if allowing stuff like Caterhams
The CNC Heads Championship does just that - yesterday's race included everything from an almost bog-standard XR2 to an ex-DTM Astra! A key factor in the success of this (& no doubt other similar championships) is summed up on BARC NW's website:

"The regulations have been carefully developed over many years and are famously stable so that cars can remain affordably competitive."


Quote:
Originally Posted by indigorallye View Post
Just for interest, it would have been more than seven but the MSA stipulate a 20% rule. ie 20% of the max starters can be taken on as reserves. CNC is a pretty dam good championship.
I wondered why I didn't see your name in the programme!

. . . and yes, it's a good championship - one of my favourites!
Dave Brand is offline  
__________________
Doing an important job doesn't make you an important person.
Quote
Old 23 Sep 2012, 19:16 (Ref:3140475)   #365
simes43
Racer
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location:
Cambridge
Posts: 114
simes43 should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
When did Harry Hill become CoC for the BTCC support
races?

And when did punting the guy off in front to win not
merit 3 points and disqualification?
simes43 is offline  
__________________
Simes43
Quote
Old 23 Sep 2012, 20:22 (Ref:3140512)   #366
kipper
Veteran
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
England
Leics
Posts: 2,449
kipper should be qualifying in the top 10 on the gridkipper should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Brand View Post
The race with 7 entries (8 in the programme) originally included a class for the Alfa Romeo Owners' Club Series. For some reason that didn't happen - if it had, the numbers would probably have been in the low 20s.
Perhaps on a slightly pedantic note, by my reckoning the Alfa Owners' Club Series has average 9-10 starters this year, so low 20s may be a bit optimistic.

The point regarding balance, is of course, unchallenged by this.
kipper is offline  
Quote
Old 23 Sep 2012, 21:12 (Ref:3140537)   #367
Dave Brand
Veteran
 
Dave Brand's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
England
Hadfield, Derbyshire (UK)
Posts: 6,359
Dave Brand is going for a new lap record!Dave Brand is going for a new lap record!Dave Brand is going for a new lap record!Dave Brand is going for a new lap record!Dave Brand is going for a new lap record!Dave Brand is going for a new lap record!
Quote:
Originally Posted by kipper View Post
Perhaps on a slightly pedantic note, by my reckoning the Alfa Owners' Club Series has average 9-10 starters this year, so low 20s may be a bit optimistic.
I worked off the number at Mallory, 15 if I remember correctly.
Dave Brand is offline  
__________________
Doing an important job doesn't make you an important person.
Quote
Old 23 Sep 2012, 22:09 (Ref:3140565)   #368
Al Weyman
Veteran
 
Al Weyman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
England
South of Watford (just)
Posts: 14,699
Al Weyman has a real shot at the podium!Al Weyman has a real shot at the podium!Al Weyman has a real shot at the podium!Al Weyman has a real shot at the podium!
So what happened to the Alfas, I assume they are all upset again about something, last time it was being put in with the faster Pre 93's what was it this time? The CTCRC committee tried hard to make this happen including space on their stand at Race Retro so I dunno what the problem is, is it Oulton is not seen as a good enough track or what maybe someone with inside knowledge could enlighten us? Last year we were meant to have a load of VW Beetles in but they also let the club down,. quite frankly I am confused and don't know what you have to do to please these people why make all noises then just not show up.
Al Weyman is offline  
__________________
You can't polish a turd but you sure can sprinkle it with glitter!
Quote
Old 24 Sep 2012, 00:35 (Ref:3140604)   #369
Lancsbreaker
Veteran
 
Lancsbreaker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
England
Padiham, Lancashire
Posts: 4,133
Lancsbreaker has a real shot at the podium!Lancsbreaker has a real shot at the podium!Lancsbreaker has a real shot at the podium!Lancsbreaker has a real shot at the podium!
Quote:
Originally Posted by Al Weyman View Post
So what happened to the Alfas, I assume they are all upset again about something, last time it was being put in with the faster Pre 93's what was it this time? The CTCRC committee tried hard to make this happen including space on their stand at Race Retro so I dunno what the problem is, is it Oulton is not seen as a good enough track or what maybe someone with inside knowledge could enlighten us? Last year we were meant to have a load of VW Beetles in but they also let the club down,. quite frankly I am confused and don't know what you have to do to please these people why make all noises then just not show up.
For reasons to which I was not privy, but which are apparent if you read the Series regs, when the Alfa series was set up this year, the main class in the Series - the "Classics" were only scheduled to have four races - not including Oulton...the majority of Alfa racers who would sensibly have been included in the pre-93 already race with ARCA, and I'm not aware of any AROC member who have raced in the pre-93 races this year, as the "Classics" criteria were flexed to allow the later models to be included - so I was amazed to see that the programme - or at least TSL's version of it, included reference to AROC series.

Not entirely sure where Kipper gets his "9 or 10" figures from, unless he includes Thruxton in his figures...entries in the three races which actually ran are 11, 8 and 14 actual starters, IIRC - although second races of double-headers might of course have had less starters.
Lancsbreaker is offline  
__________________
Richard Murtha: You don't stop racing because you are too old, you get old when you stop racing! But its looking increasingly likely that I've stopped.....have to go back to rallying ;)
Quote
Old 24 Sep 2012, 06:12 (Ref:3140684)   #370
Al Weyman
Veteran
 
Al Weyman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
England
South of Watford (just)
Posts: 14,699
Al Weyman has a real shot at the podium!Al Weyman has a real shot at the podium!Al Weyman has a real shot at the podium!Al Weyman has a real shot at the podium!
Fair enough if not programmed in and probable a mix up between the two branches of BARC.
Al Weyman is offline  
__________________
You can't polish a turd but you sure can sprinkle it with glitter!
Quote
Old 24 Sep 2012, 12:49 (Ref:3140878)   #371
historic racer
Rookie
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 91
historic racer should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Brand View Post
Balance.

If you want to confine yourself to CTCRC championships, the other races had entries (numbers from the programme) of 14, 29 & 21. The race with 7 entries (8 in the programme) originally included a class for the Alfa Romeo Owners' Club Series. For some reason that didn't happen - if it had, the numbers would probably have been in the low 20s. We do have to accept that a one-day meeting at Oulton on a Saturday may not be very attractive to some drivers, particularly so late in the season, & I'm sure several drivers would have been only too happy to have been there had their cars been drivable!

Out of interest the Caterham classes had 14, 28 & 17 entries, the CNC Heads 41.

Head in the sand? Not from where I stand!
I WAS TALKING ABOUT ONE RACE NOT THE OTHERS WHICH WERE WELL SUPPORTED ( SPECSAVERS MAY HELP )
historic racer is offline  
Quote
Old 24 Sep 2012, 19:27 (Ref:3141040)   #372
kipper
Veteran
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
England
Leics
Posts: 2,449
kipper should be qualifying in the top 10 on the gridkipper should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lancsbreaker View Post
Not entirely sure where Kipper gets his "9 or 10" figures from, unless he includes Thruxton in his figures...entries in the three races which actually ran are 11, 8 and 14 actual starters, IIRC - although second races of double-headers might of course have had less starters.
In short, TSL (Mallory was the only AROC meeting I attended. According to the site, 10 cars started each of the Silverstone races; seven cars started the first Brands race, whilst six started the second; and 14 and 12 cars started the two Mallory races. Ignoring Thruxton, this makes an average of somewhere between nine and 10 cars.
kipper is offline  
Quote
Old 25 Sep 2012, 23:07 (Ref:3141723)   #373
Lancsbreaker
Veteran
 
Lancsbreaker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
England
Padiham, Lancashire
Posts: 4,133
Lancsbreaker has a real shot at the podium!Lancsbreaker has a real shot at the podium!Lancsbreaker has a real shot at the podium!Lancsbreaker has a real shot at the podium!
Quote:
Originally Posted by kipper View Post
In short, TSL (Mallory was the only AROC meeting I attended. According to the site, 10 cars started each of the Silverstone races; seven cars started the first Brands race, whilst six started the second; and 14 and 12 cars started the two Mallory races. Ignoring Thruxton, this makes an average of somewhere between nine and 10 cars.
Whereas I was at two of the races, and I know at Silverstone that there were more entries than starters in both races as mechanical glitches prevented all taking the start - I think you have to accept that at all double-header events there is a strong probability that some of the first-race competitors may not be able to take the start of the second race - as I commented in my original post.......

Anyway - about the number of angels who can dance on the head of a pin.....
Lancsbreaker is offline  
__________________
Richard Murtha: You don't stop racing because you are too old, you get old when you stop racing! But its looking increasingly likely that I've stopped.....have to go back to rallying ;)
Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
What Changes are Happening for Monterrey Snrub ChampCar World Series 45 20 May 2005 18:36
Anything happening this weekend???? danccooke Marshals Forum 11 14 Apr 2005 21:17
What is happening to Toyota. Cobra Formula One 14 2 Jul 2003 15:28
What's happening in British motorsport? G_Ilott National & Club Racing 29 12 Jun 2003 14:07
Happening @ Homestead RaceFanStan NASCAR & Stock Car Racing 11 21 Nov 2002 00:27


All times are GMT. The time now is 23:49.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Original Website Copyright © 1998-2003 Craig Antil. All Rights Reserved.
Ten-Tenths Motorsport Forums Copyright © 2004-2021 Royalridge Computing. All Rights Reserved.
Ten-Tenths Motorsport Forums Copyright © 2021-2022 Grant MacDonald. All Rights Reserved.