|
||||||||||
|
||||||||||
5 Jul 2013, 15:50 (Ref:3274321) | #1 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 4,474
|
LMP1 engines (from 2014 to current)
The new regs allow for just about any engine provided it can get around the lap without running out of gas, so what do we actually know about who is running what next year?
Rebellion: continuing with Toyota 3.4l n/a V8 petrol (I think this is confirmed) Toyota: petrol + hybrid system Porsche: probably a small (2l?) turbo 4 cylinder petrol, + hybrid system Audi: diesel V6? + hybrid system Strakka: continuing with Honda 3.4l n/a petrol V8? Any others? Also, the rule preventing front wheel hybrid use below 120kph is being dropped which might encourage a move to 4 wheel drive for traction and weight distribution reasons. Audi will continue with their 'quattro' system. I wonder if Porsche will go 4wd? |
||
|
5 Jul 2013, 16:12 (Ref:3274331) | #2 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 1,938
|
Honda will use a small direct injected turbocharged V6 derived from Indycar engine.
http://www.racer.com/exclusive-hpd-p...rticle/300655/ http://tentenths.com/forum/showthrea...02029&page=182 |
||
|
5 Jul 2013, 16:18 (Ref:3274337) | #3 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 2,203
|
...unless Strakka are allowed (and willing) to grandfather their current car.
|
||
|
5 Jul 2013, 17:30 (Ref:3274357) | #4 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 4,474
|
Good to see some variety though.
|
||
|
5 Jul 2013, 18:15 (Ref:3274378) | #5 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 6,232
|
Quote:
2.8L V6T and 4.0L V8 are compared. |
||
|
7 Jul 2013, 17:04 (Ref:3274945) | #6 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 798
|
I always wonder why the Mazda/AER engine is never mentioned when discussing LMP1 engines, I'd think it's a pretty good option for a privateer? Not knowing how well it works with the new regulations of course.
|
||
|
7 Jul 2013, 17:32 (Ref:3274957) | #7 | |
Veteran
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 4,434
|
I like Dyson racing and have for years, but seriously, would you trust them to build an engine for your team?
|
|
|
7 Jul 2013, 17:41 (Ref:3274958) | #8 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 798
|
|||
|
7 Jul 2013, 17:54 (Ref:3274959) | #9 | |
Veteran
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 4,434
|
Dyson owns AER ... and the engines haven't been bad since they strengthened the block for last season, but the team in general ... has sort of slipped.
|
|
|
7 Jul 2013, 18:33 (Ref:3274976) | #10 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 798
|
Oh sorry, wasn't aware of that. For example though, if I was Dome at Le Mans last year, I would've picked the Mazda option before the shake-to-bits Judd.
|
||
|
7 Jul 2013, 18:34 (Ref:3274977) | #11 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 3,884
|
|||
|
7 Jul 2013, 18:39 (Ref:3274981) | #12 | |||
Veteran
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 798
|
Quote:
Really I just wanted to know if I had missed something obvious since the Mazda engine is so seldom mentioned. |
|||
|
7 Jul 2013, 19:09 (Ref:3274993) | #13 | |||
Veteran
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 4,474
|
Quote:
|
|||
|
7 Jul 2013, 22:35 (Ref:3275098) | #14 | |||
Veteran
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 3,884
|
Quote:
But you're right, we don't know for sure. However, while the Judd engine was no world beater and indeed it's kind of died a death in P1, Judd have produced decent engines in top-level prototypes since for many years now. On top of that, the DOME had a Judd stuck in the back of it before. I'm pretty confident that a fully functioning Pescarolo team, without living on the brink of bankruptcy and with more time to develop the car, could have got that package to be something capable of finishing the race. Good point though, the Mazda engine is often forgotten, but I think it's overlooked by most privateers, and with good reason. It's not particularly reliable or powerful. At the end of this rules cycle, we've been left with no decent powertrain options for privateers, and that's why we have so few of them. Let's hope things change for 2014. |
|||
|
8 Jul 2013, 02:34 (Ref:3275177) | #15 | |||
Veteran
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 2,336
|
Quote:
|
|||
|
8 Jul 2013, 05:44 (Ref:3275214) | #16 | |
Rookie
Join Date: Dec 2011
Posts: 55
|
Remember, that Judd engine also had a habbit of self detonation in the back of the Oak Pesarolos aswell. Including at Sebring a few years ago shoryly after the car had lead briefly overall and was still leading the privateers. Think it went pop at Le Mans two years on the trot if i remember rightly aswell in the same car...
|
|
|
8 Jul 2013, 07:27 (Ref:3275244) | #17 | |||
Veteran
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 3,884
|
Quote:
Lot's of positive signs about next year, lets hope there are more engine options. |
|||
|
8 Jul 2013, 07:29 (Ref:3275245) | #18 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Mar 2002
Posts: 4,354
|
|||
|
8 Jul 2013, 07:34 (Ref:3275247) | #19 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 3,884
|
|||
|
8 Jul 2013, 08:08 (Ref:3275267) | #20 | |
Veteran
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 15,592
|
Exclusive to Lola chassis that is. But it seems thats no longer the case as Lola wont exist in the class next year.
|
|
|
8 Jul 2013, 12:50 (Ref:3275375) | #21 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 1,054
|
The only thing I hope, is to see all engines balanced in the better way as possible. Diesel cannot be anymore helped by rules. Petrol engines must be as performant as diesel ones. This may attract more manufacturers interested in petrol engines. By now, with Peugeot forfait, only Audi has remained with diesel, and this can't be considered as the leading solution. Now it's time for hybrid (diesel or petrol), but all engines must be on the same plain.
I fear there will not be enough space for small engine suppliers, such as AER and Judd, because of the rising interest of manufacturers in petrol engines. That's not good. Small manufacturers have always been Le Mans salt! |
||
__________________
Le Mans, 23/06/2013, 15:00, Allan we miss you! Porsche 1°-2° in GTE-Pro class with 991 GT3 RSR Porsche 1st. place in GTE-Am class with 997 GT3 RSR |
8 Jul 2013, 13:50 (Ref:3275395) | #22 | |||
Veteran
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 6,232
|
Quote:
So, everything depends on if ACO's hypothesis figures are correct... http://i.imgur.com/ckXfrOg.png Interestingly as Bart Hayden revealed here, the 2% BoP rule has been omitted from the new regs: "...the new regulations, and it isn’t a case of what it says, but rather what it doesn’t say. The current regulations have determined that a 2% performance gap is acceptable between the factory cars and that for private teams like ours. That regulation has been omitted for the new regulations, and by definition it is now regarded as unacceptable to have such a gap in performance." I really wonder if that interpretation is correct (the leaked draft of the technical regs won't help here as the BoP rule was/is in the sporting regs), because that sounds really impossible to achieve. And imho generally lap times are just really retarded measure of balancing if the point is to balance engines only. Quote:
Last edited by deggis; 8 Jul 2013 at 14:14. |
|||
|
8 Jul 2013, 18:40 (Ref:3275510) | #23 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 1,406
|
AER's new 2014 LMP1 engine is currently in the build and test phase. for confidentiality reasons its not appropriate for me to reveal what it is, but i am prepared to say its not an I4!......but they are doing one for sure.......admittedley i dont know who its for, but i'm told they have a customer, but i always take that part with a pinch of salt.......it cant be for dyson as LMP1 is now done in the US.......answers on a postcard please.
|
||
|
8 Jul 2013, 21:16 (Ref:3275581) | #24 | |
Veteran
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 12,182
|
Knew you would have some information regarding a potential AER powerplant, can you say if it is AER only or another AER/Mazda project?
|
|
|
8 Jul 2013, 22:29 (Ref:3275609) | #25 | |||
Rookie
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 51
|
Quote:
|
|||
|
|
|
Similar Threads | ||||
Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
How about a LMP1 Pro & LMP1 Privateer class | Holt | Sportscar & GT Racing | 35 | 6 Jun 2012 13:44 |
Can someone explain the current detailed rules on the Engines? | jellison | NASCAR & Stock Car Racing | 33 | 15 Apr 2008 21:39 |
Current Cosworth Engines????? | Peter Nightingale | Formula One | 11 | 26 May 2006 18:54 |
New Engines in LMP1 | JAG | Sportscar & GT Racing | 27 | 31 Mar 2004 14:25 |
CURRENT POWER OUTPUTS OF GP AND SUPERBIKE ENGINES? | Robin Plummer | Racing Technology | 3 | 12 Oct 2000 11:15 |