Spa 24 hours race week thread - Page 12

urdragon · 28 Jul 2013, 17:51 (Ref:3282946)

From what I saw, this is the first year here without Wolfgang Ullrich, maybe this has anything to do, for good and both for bad, both before and to the results of the race, maybe they could foresee that results after the bop test.

urdragon · 28 Jul 2013, 18:04 (Ref:3282951)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Creep89

Fastest laps of the race:
BMW: 2:22.863
Audi: 2:23.141

If the rival was the BMWZ4 the difference between laptimes wasn't so different, and they where candidates to win during most race (Unless last year the BoP was against Maxime Martin & co, and favourable to Audi).

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Originally Posted by Speed-King

When considering BoP configuration, also it's important how it suits to a SLS and a Porsche, this must have anything to do considering last year there wasn't such PRO entries of that cars, that "could" be a reason, it's only a thought tough.

Creep89 · 28 Jul 2013, 18:09 (Ref:3282953)

Some of the fastest times were driven at the end of the race, so I don't know I you can compare Audi with BMW because Marc VDS didn't run till the end and failed early.

But even guys like Lotterer, Ekström, Fässler, Stippler weren't able to go fast. I don't think it's because of better competition.

Eryk03 · 28 Jul 2013, 18:09 (Ref:3282955)

Quote:

Originally Posted by urdragon

From what I saw, this is the first year here without Wolfgang Ullrich, maybe this has anything to do, for good and both for bad, both before and to the results of the race, maybe they could foresee that results after the bop test.

Dr Ullrich was all the time there.

urdragon · 28 Jul 2013, 22:01 (Ref:3283025)

2x mine Epic Fail.

At the end of the Race there is more rubber on track so laptimes are better. The BMW giving those time are less performant than MVDs.

Missed most part of the race, even beeing the 24h race I like more.

Don't like this BoP, as don't like too a third audi victory which also is overwhelming on the other minor SRO series, but remember who is Ruling also the wec, Ingolstadt "rules the world"....

Beryl · 29 Jul 2013, 06:21 (Ref:3283159)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Creep89

Fastest laps of the race:
Mercedes: 2:21.861
Porsche: 2:21.972
Nissan: 2:22.174
Ferrari: 2:22.262
Aston Martin: 2:22.551
BMW: 2:22.863
Audi: 2:23.141

Even a Nissan goes faster than Audi. BoP out of control.

A Nissan can't be faster than an Audi? What?

TF110 · 29 Jul 2013, 09:17 (Ref:3283212)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beryl

A Nissan can't be faster than an Audi? What?

It confused me as well. Even the street cars, the GTR is faster than the Audi.

Osella · 29 Jul 2013, 12:18 (Ref:3283298)

..perhaps I'm missing something, but, if BOP worked, we'd still have competitive Morgan, Venturi and Ford cars?

urdragon · 29 Jul 2013, 19:52 (Ref:3283445)

Quote:

Originally Posted by TF110

It confused me as well. Even the street cars, the GTR is faster than the Audi.

On straights and on the Nordchleife too, in all sort of ways you can compare them.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Osella

..perhaps I'm missing something, but, if BOP worked, we'd still have competitive Morgan, Venturi and Ford cars?

I suppose they're outdated in terms of handling, reliability and probably electronics too, but recently ford has won a race in ADAC GT Masters, less than two months ago.

Coach Ep · 31 Jul 2013, 19:26 (Ref:3284364)

Quote:

Originally Posted by urdragon

At the end of the Race there is more rubber on track so laptimes are better.

Having less cars on track helps as well.

FstrthnU · 1 Aug 2013, 18:51 (Ref:3284761)

http://trussers.blogspot.com/2013/08...ur-casino.html

Some good analysis from Trussers. Schneider and Pilet were the fastest drivers in each of their cars, but overall the Mercedes-Benz was faster on the average of its 3 drivers.

Beryl · 1 Aug 2013, 21:40 (Ref:3284803)

I still maintain that Buhk was the best driver of the race. He did double stints when HTP double stinted the tires and he maintained impressive pace on the second stint. As far as I know, Schneider didn't double stint tire.

Nevertheless, that article confused me a bit. Watching the race and live timing, it showed that Gotz did the first 3 stints for HTP, Buhk the next 3, and Schneider didn't get into the car until it was getting dark and the stream coverage went off air, yet Trusser writes that Schneider's longest stint was 6:56 pm to 9:05 pm. What? Also, Gotz was in the car for the first two hours and a half hours at least, then Buhk had a triple stint, both much longer than the longest stints indicated by Trussers. Was the live timing that much off?

Dead-Eye · 2 Aug 2013, 11:09 (Ref:3284976)

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Originally Posted by Beryl

Nevertheless, that article confused me a bit. Watching the race and live timing, it showed that Gotz did the first 3 stints for HTP, Buhk the next 3, and Schneider didn't get into the car until it was getting dark and the stream coverage went off air, yet Trusser writes that Schneider's longest stint was 6:56 pm to 9:05 pm. What? Also, Gotz was in the car for the first two hours and a half hours at least, then Buhk had a triple stint, both much longer than the longest stints indicated by Trussers. Was the live timing that much off?

I seem to remember that at some point they had a problem with the transponder. That would explain why the timing was off.

The Badger · 2 Aug 2013, 14:33 (Ref:3285028)

Wasn't really interested in it , but found my attention being grabbed in the middle of the night and watched it through .

Excellent race ..... getting more and more impressed with this series .

Coach Ep · 2 Aug 2013, 14:41 (Ref:3285031)

Only just having watched the ´overtaking under yellow´ move from one of the Manthey boys that was rewarded with a penalty which basically robbed the race - which was great until that point - from a potential nail biting finish.

Technically it wasn´t even passing under yellow, the safety car had already pulled off (at marshals post 18 which is in the middle of Pouhon, the corner before the short straight leading towards Fagnes/Pif-Paf where the overtaking move was executed) and at marshals post 20 the green flag was waved vigorously. A very harsh penalty imo, it must have been the first ´passing under green´ that was penalized...

Time therefor to adjust the SC procedure: as soon as the green flag is ordered by the race director, the racing should resume and passing from that moment on should be allowed - anywhere on track. No need anymore to cross a white line - not even the start/finish line, green = green!

Beryl · 2 Aug 2013, 18:40 (Ref:3285108)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dead-Eye

I seem to remember that at some point they had a problem with the transponder. That would explain why the timing was off.

Yeah, but Gotz confirmed in an interview that he started the race with a triple stint (though the first was short because of pitting under the safety car, but it would still have been over two hours...). That still contradicts Trusser's data, even if they were showing the wrong man in the car by live timing.

insanity_mc · 7 Aug 2013, 22:05 (Ref:3287044)

Hey all,

Our pictures of the Total Spa 24H 2013 are online @ www.motorsports-online.net

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