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[QUOTE=chernaudi;3528543]I always thought that the Nissan's front end design reminded me of something, and i think that I found it, the Brabham BT44, 45 and 46
Those Brabhams had a similar nose-mounted radiator architecture with the rads being mounted as far back as possible, and even had pullrod front suspension like the Brabham types mentioned did. BT44: I can't see it myself. |
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[QUOTE=chernaudi;3528543]I always thought that the Nissan's front end design reminded me of something, and i think that I found it, the Brabham BT44, 45 and 46
Those Brabhams had a similar nose-mounted radiator architecture with the rads being mounted as far back as possible, and even had pullrod front suspension like the Brabham types mentioned did. BT44: I can't see it myself, particularly with the BT46. |
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Keep in mind the wingless and early winged F1 cars were all front radiator, and later people started doing sidepods, so the Brabham was going kind of a bit old school there, but they presumably felt there was some advantage in doing that.
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It was also hard to mount side radiators with the trapezoidal tubs that Gordon Murry designed up though the BT46, which is why on the BT46 they tried to run evaporative cooling heat exchangers, but when that didn't work, they reverted back to a front wing/radiator/splitter & diffuser assembly.
Murry designed a car with a "conventionally" shaped tub for the Alfa Romeo V12 powered BT48, which when modified to run a Cosworth Ford V8, became the BT49. Another thing historically is that though Brabham were the first to use it as far as popularizing it, the '74 Tyrrell 007 run a pushrod front suspension. The Lotus 72 ran pullrods (though they weren't called that at the time), and interestingly, it can be said that Audi were the first to use a "push-pull" rod operated suspension, as Auto Union (modern day Audi) used a very early pullrod suspension system in the 1930s. Suspension system history over, it should also be noted that the BT45 and 46 had the relatively (compared to the Ford V8) Alfa Romeo flat V12, and that probably also helped balance weight (though the BT44 also had them). In the case of the Nissan, the engine is front mounted, and it's mostly front wheel drive, so having weight up front (on the main drive wheels) is (or hopefully should be) beneficial. |
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Untill this Nissan LMP1 will be able to seriously blast LMP2's in the weeds, I think it'll be highly uncertain for them to enter Le Mans.
I don't think Nissan Japan will ever allow a car bearing their factory name to race there with a chance to be comprehensively beaten by LMP2's with Nissan customer engines. I honestly don't expect to see these batmobiles in La Sarthe in 2015. |
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Lol, come on, thats being a little too pessimistic. Theyll be there, on or off pace.
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“We’re trying to close the doors without embarrassing ourselves, the France family and embarrassing (the) Grand American Series,” he said in the deposition. “There is no money. There is no purse. There’s nothing.” |
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Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see them at Le Mans but with them Japanese really not liking loosing face and all...
Just saying, Yokohama could very well postpone the whole thing untill next year. |
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Don't mean to draw parallels to F1, but it seemed too good an opportunity to miss. Nissan will be there, no question. |
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There is zero chance of them not being there.
They will be on the grid, no question. |
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Nissan was ok with the delta wing project that probably could of gone farther.
Nissan was having similar issues with the ZEOD as they are now,and we all saw that project crash and burn. Seems like nissan was ok with how the zeod went down that they green lighted the Gt-R.so I see no reason why they would change now and not show up,eventhough at the rate things have been going for them it looks like it's going to be another crash and burn like the zeod,AMR one,and pescarolo 03. Really cool exciting concept,with what feels like poor execution.i almost feel sorry for them. |
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I wonder does this give an indication as to where Nissan is at compared to its opposition.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/118614 Audi completes over 6500 km http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/118559 compared with Nissan's 2000km which is a lot less than what one would expect for a 24 hour race distance. |
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It means Nissan aren't ready to do a 30 hour race simulation yet, which we pretty much knew already. They're still doing shorter runs and spending lots of time tinkering in the pits.
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If they can get to Le Mans and qualify, then run just one lap they will have scored their PR coup, look at how much press and discussion they have gotten already.
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Weren't they quoted as saying they WILL win Le Mans within a couple of years? |
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According to AUTOhebdo, Carlos Ghosn - Nissan chairman - has cancelled the visit previously scheduled for the LM race.
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Reading this interview, it sounds like Nissan are actually making some progress. But what about that hybrid? This quote is hopefully the real deal
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Nissan are always using quotes like "We'll surprise people" and "We do things differently"
Until they actually produce a car that works and is fast, these quotes can just be added to the pile. |
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One could, for instance, point out that one of the things that the others are "doing differently" is actually showing up to the races you announce you'd be going to. Or point out that the "we'll surprise people" might refer to how few races they actually start (and how fewer they'll finish) in their "full WEC season". Everytime one of those boasting PR spins comes along, they ought to be smashed into the ground beyond recognition, uncovering the messenger's bold lies and claims. |
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