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The big automakers stocks are never exactly a good buy, they are just to big to double in value. On the other hand Toyota made a deal with NVIDIA (automated driving), now that is a stock that has potential.
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5 Jun 2017, 12:32 (Ref:3738761) | #5453 | |
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What does win at LeMans mean to selling more than 10 milion road cars per year? Toyota has the potential to own the (plug-in) hybrid market in the near future, but on the other hand they are lagging behind in infotainment, automated driving and EVs. Styling of their cars is also many times a big fail.
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5 Jun 2017, 18:37 (Ref:3738845) | #5454 | |
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In racing news, a third Toyota at Fuji is an "open question" http://sportscar365.com/lemans/wec/l...omment-2292671. That would be cool to see. If they do win Le Mans, that would be a great gesture to the Japanese fans to see 'hero Toyota' with 3 cars. Perhaps with Kunimoto again. He's pretty good 'round Fuji
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It is interesting to note that Kamui KOBAYASHI was the faster driver, but his teammates were the slowest Toyota drivers.
This is the times details: Kamui KOBAYASHI 3:18.132 (Toyota 7) Sébastien BUEMI 3:19.290 (Toyota 8) Kazuki NAKAJIMA 3:20.019 (Toyota 8) Jose Maria LOPEZ 3:21.455 (Toyota 9) Earl BAMBER 3:21.512 (Porsche 2) Anthony DAVIDSON 3:22.075 (Toyota 8) Neel JANI 3:22.100 (Porsche 1) Nicolas LAPIERRE 3:22.362 (Toyota 9) Yuji KUNIMOTO 3:22.396 36 (Toyota 9) H André LOTTERER 3:22.519 (Porsche 1) Mike CONWAY 3:22.750 (Toyota 7) Timo BERNHARD 3:23.089 (Porsche 2) Stéphane SARRAZIN 3:23.450 (Toyota 7) Brendon HARTLEY 3:23.494 (Porsche 2) Nick TANDY 3:25.884 (Porsche 1) Marc LIEB 3:26.786 (Porsche 1) Marc LIEB 3:35.328 (Porsche 2) |
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Must be a possibility in qually. After all, Porsche did it 2 years ago.....
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6 Jun 2017, 05:22 (Ref:3738930) | #5459 | |
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... with a lot more fuel flow
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Didn't stop Toyota from smashing pole and race lap records at Silverstone and Porsche doing the same in qualifying at Spa this year. Not to mention that there's rumors that Toyota was having drivers lift off out of the Ford Chicanes near S/F.
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I watched the Spa QYF onboard of Conway (1.53.9) where he clearly lifted just before the s/f line (after the busstop chcane) (or, lift may be programed because it may not affect less than in other longer straights?), did anyone notice it?
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Due to 3 lap average fuel regulation, all LMP1H cars has program to cut the fuel for individual sectors. s/f line only makes up so little of the time gain, therefore engineers tend to save fuel there for other corners or the straights. oh and drivers are on full throttle but the program cuts the gas. |
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That makes sense, thanks, Roderick
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6 Jun 2017, 07:53 (Ref:3738962) | #5466 | |
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If I remember correctly, 3-lap average fuel limit is applied in the race. In qualifying, fuel consumption in each lap is equally limited based on this 3-lap average, isnt it?
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6 Jun 2017, 18:56 (Ref:3739075) | #5467 | |
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Not sure on this. But I assume they were running the 3-lap average of the race during the test day. It's pretty certain there's more to come. The question I want to know is how much?
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6 Jun 2017, 21:04 (Ref:3739107) | #5468 | |
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Yes, of course, I predict they will break 3.15 in qualifying, but note that #7 drivers will have to lift off the throttle before the s/f line in qualifying as programmed as Conway did (which I recorded and watched) in qualifying at Spa and qualifying simulation by Kobayashi last weekend witnessed by some at La Sarthe. Maybe the engineer of #7 car likes to do that.
I also suppose Toyota and Porsche (especially Jani) will be close in qualifying as they were at spa, although qualifying is not important in the first place. |
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7 Jun 2017, 00:10 (Ref:3739124) | #5470 | |
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I thought that could be first, but seemed Conway was already off throttle when Hartley went off before the bus stop thus it might have affected less. Its just my speculation, so lets see how they will run next week.
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If he was off-throttle before the final chicane, that's normal, they still have to do a predeterminate amount of lift-and-coast before braking even on a quali lap, and probably even more so in the last 1-2 big braking zones of a lap.
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What is the fuel tank capacity this year? Still 62.5 l minus 1.5 l margin?
Max amount of fuel they can use per lap is 4.31 liter so for 14 laps the 8 MJ hybrid uses max 60.34 liter. 14 lap stint is in line with what rules allow, the real question is why would anyone (like Porsche last year) make shorter stints? Maybe for some error margin of 1% is just too small to rely upon in real life? Maybe that margin can be abused (no flow meter is 100% accurate) and then you fall short of 14 laps? |
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That's part of it, but weren't Porsche were also doing something on the borders of legality with fueling to save time? The shorter fill didn't account for the ~5s in pit stop length.
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10 Jun 2017, 22:00 (Ref:3740074) | #5475 | |
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Reportedly they were on the edge of running out of fuel with 14 laps flat out, it was just to risky, so they used such strategy only in the end of the race to catch Toyota, probably saving some fuel in the end of stint.
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