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29 Feb 2020, 13:03 (Ref:3960597) | #151 | |
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GT3. it curently exists, some teams already have a toe in the water there and it wouldn't be too hard to convert Mustangs and Camaro's to GT3 spec. There's some BMW's and what not sitting idle in sheds also that could make a re-appearance. Dane and Walkinshaw already support GT3 entries so who knows.
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29 Feb 2020, 14:13 (Ref:3960612) | #152 | ||
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Not really sure where there is talk of no tv deal being reached. The history of the precious rule sets are pretty irrelevant the world is a pretty different place to what it was 30 years ago. I don't think winding it up with no replacement is the answer Supercars needs to come up with a suitable rule set moving forwards that's the key to continuing the series. |
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29 Feb 2020, 21:54 (Ref:3960684) | #153 | ||
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When I hear Gen 3, I think "Rev 3" ie. they've already had a couple tries at this and (IMHO) have been found wanting. The decline of the automotive industry, specifically the models Supercars chose to race didn't exactly happen overnight. Gen 2 was the time for a paradigm shift, instead it ended up a failure - one manufacturer leaving whilst only one new model entered. One could even argue the Mustang didn't (intially) meet the Gen 2 rule set. Last edited by Compromised; 29 Feb 2020 at 22:12. |
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Teams that wanted to continue in the sport would find another series to compete in.Those that don’t could cash their chips. |
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1 Mar 2020, 01:36 (Ref:3960710) | #155 | ||
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If Supercars ditched the idea of needing manufacturers and went with Marc style cars they would better to watch than GT3 or TCR, and preserve the manufacturing base and unique IP of the series, while offering the potential for radically reduced costs.
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1 Mar 2020, 06:12 (Ref:3960727) | #157 | ||
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What will they call the cars? As much as the MARCs look like a Mustang, they are never officially referred to as Mustangs |
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1 Mar 2020, 06:34 (Ref:3960731) | #158 | ||
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Dead easy to get a licence to use the likeness whether you pay for it or not. Both MARC and TA2 use brands and car names without licences, quite freely.
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Yep I am sure Ford would be happy for the Mustang name to get continued exposure. The likeness of the current Supercars version is not exactly a direct copy and yet is supported by Ford so why not aMARC type chassis / body. Better imo than a me too GT3 series which wont do anything for cost reduction Given the status, size and trends in the local car/family vehicle market there is there any justification for manufacturer involvement in SC? I dont see it. |
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MARC does not use car brands and car names without licence! The model (which looks like a Mustang) is a MARC II V8 TA2 has the licence from the manufacturer to call the cars their brand name and model Last edited by one five five; 1 Mar 2020 at 09:10. |
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2 Mar 2020, 03:16 (Ref:3960904) | #161 | ||
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Could the existing chassis be modified to allow for alternate bodywork? So teams don't have to throw out as much stuff? |
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2 Mar 2020, 05:14 (Ref:3960912) | #162 | ||
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Other than that, I don't think there have been any suggestions there would be large amounts of change under Gen 3. Things like fuel tank, transaxle and so on would all be carried over. It's debatable whether rear tyre size should be increased, or if the current 295/305 (2018 spec/2019 spec) on a 11" wide rim is wide enough. If the latter, then the current wheels could be retained. It would be good to see a return to small rear wing endplates and deletion of bootlid extensions. Other control parts like the $20,000 888 pedal box need to be dropped from the rules though IMO. They are just plain stupid. A $5,000 Tilton pedal box would do the same job. |
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2 Mar 2020, 08:40 (Ref:3960942) | #163 | |
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Wasn't Gen 3 supposed to be something where you could run a different engine than the current 5L V8? 888 spent a small fortune developing that V6 turbo ( twin turbo? ), all for what?
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2 Mar 2020, 09:13 (Ref:3960944) | #164 | ||
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8 demo laps.
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2 Mar 2020, 20:15 (Ref:3961085) | #167 | |
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Supercars Gen 3 (2022)
Why is no one talking about GT4?? Are they not fast enough?? They already have: Camaro, Mustang, BMW, Porsche, M-B, Audi, Maclaren, Aston the list goes on... plus they still look like something you can get from a showroom. Plenty of variety for teams to choose from. Set minimum weights and vary inlet restrictors to even the BOP across brands if you don’t like weight or penalties.
Like TCR, bathurst could be an international event with >30 car grids. I just don’t see GT3 cars suited to tracks like Winton and Symmons Plains etc. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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2 Mar 2020, 22:03 (Ref:3961107) | #169 | |
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They are the same speed as TCR. Yet somehow they are not as racey, since they are heavier and even more production-based than TCR. GT4s seem very similar to the current Australian Manufacturers Championship for Production Cars, just more standardised and without development costs since you can buy a turn-key car.
GT4 feel like a souped-up road car, you can almost feel the high weight and high inertia weighing down on the car (literally), it's just very sluggish to react: https://youtu.be/3408YhUEr0k I am not sure they would be adequate as a spectacle... A combined TCR/GT4 class could work however, you could have the market relevant 4 cylinder hatches and bigger engine cars all in the one race. The BOP arguments about the final 5 tenths per lap that decides who wins could get tiresome though. Why not? They already race there. Last edited by V8 Fireworks; 2 Mar 2020 at 22:15. |
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3 Mar 2020, 00:39 (Ref:3961126) | #170 | |
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I think GT4 makes sense. Combine that with TCR. We keep hearing about market relevance, well you can't get anymore relevent than GT4 and TCR. V8 Mustang and Camaro which sound the goods and hot hatches for the new wave.
GT4 are faster than TCR. The two classes are run together in the US already with success. A 2:15.8 lap of Bathurst is what the GT4 did in the 12 hour. And this is faster than what a Group C car use to do. George Fury's 2:13.8 was done on the old layout and we use to think that was quick. A 15.8 would be about an 11.8 on the old circuit at least. |
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I cant see them stepping back to a car thats 10 seconds a lap slower than the current cars. It just wont happen, especially when there are other viable options out there.
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3 Mar 2020, 02:37 (Ref:3961131) | #172 | |
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they also won't race some else's car (GT3/GT4/whatever), they will run their own car whether the internet experts think that is the right option or not
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Event Patron and six-time Bathurst 1000 Winner, Larry Perkins will be challenged in the 5 litre Touring Cars by Chris Stillwell, Touring Car Champion and son of Australian Motorsport legend Bib Stillwell driving the ex Dick Johnson AU Falcon, Ed Singleton, President of the Heritage Car Association in the GRM Valvoline Cummins VT Commodore, Brad Till driving the ex Ford Tickford Racing AU Falcon and Allan Nash and Garry Collins will be driving the ex Jack Daniels VE Commodores. https://vhrr.com/wp/phillip-island/ I understand Jack Perkins will be in another ex Larry car. |
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Forget the Opel Insignia and forget the Ford Mustang funny car (see below)... Why not just stick to the tried and true models, the same models that Falcon enthusiasts and Commodore enthusiasts (i.e., the fans on the hill) themselves will be sticking to indefinitely (for lack of alternatives). Last edited by V8 Fireworks; 3 Mar 2020 at 04:37. |
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3 Mar 2020, 07:11 (Ref:3961156) | #175 | |
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Well they did in 1985. I know that was CAMS that made the change to Group A. Lap times went from 2:14's in 1984 to 2:21's in 1985 for a Commodore at Bathurst.
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