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Supercars Gen 3 (2022)
Supercars are in a pickle. The current cars are unsustainable in today’s financial climate (and that was before Covid) but nobody can afford to get rid of them in favour of something more economical because the investment made in the current cars is so high. And besides Super 2/3 there’s no real market for the cars. What a mess..
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Even less for some. Just look at Murray Carter for the 10 years from 1979 to 1988. Three times the rules changes rendering his current car ineligible and off his own bat changed cars an additional two times (Falcon to Mazda and then Skyline to Sierra) The pro teams of today have stability in regulations the men of Carter's era could only dream of. |
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Not to mention that Supercars have created a market to sell their cars. Back in the Group C & A days, cars got sold and became sports sedans, or scrap.... |
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But Dick Johnson was once quoted as saying part of the reason for forming the first iteration of the entrants group in 1989, TEG, was that the teams didn’t like how their Group C cars were rendered redundant over night by CAMS with the switch to Group A.... Under the teams own watch now though they seemingly will make their own equipment redundant twice in less than ten years, and they can’t blame CAMS/Motorsport Australia this time.... at least CAMS listened and grandfathered some Group A cars into the new 1993 rules |
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[The Sierra XR8 was a homologation special built by Ford for the South Africa Touring Car Championship. ] They could've put a V8 in the E30 BMW too for that matter... Last edited by V8 Fireworks; 23 Jul 2020 at 10:28. |
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This time IF the current cars ARE made redundant (which may not be the case at all) it will be with the teams very much part of the planning and they'll be able to make longer-term judgements accordingly. |
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I can't help thinking that something in the TA2 style is the right way to go.
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Especially when NASCAR, the champions of that kind of thing, are moving the other way to a modern 6-speed sequential, centre lock alloy wheels and so on? |
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He said "in the style of", not incorporate wholly and solely.
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Really I wonder now if Gen 3 will go ahead as was planned. But maybe they will use some bits from it and mix it with the current spec. That could work
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So they are never going to lower the rollhoop of the Mustang or put the A-pillar in the right spot (further back)?
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If you combine the best things from the two, that should work. No doubt the technical people would work out best what that is. Would be good to see the Camaro out there, but it all depends on how much they can afford to throw at it. Either way, I am sure the series can recover in time
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Speaking of NASCAR and Gen 3, could the electric Mustang SUV on the left form the basis of Supercars Gen 3? The Mustang electric SUV race car certainly looks the part, albeit it's enormous compared to the Mustang coupe version stock car on the right.
It's clear that Ford are passionate about electric SUV Mustangs, but furthermore electric SUV racing would also be the best way to attract additional manufacturers too. Potentially you could attract Volvo and Volkswagen who have both committed to only support electric motor racing, while Jaguar, Mercedes and Audi all have electric SUVs too. Of course, maintaining the existing 635hp and 1400kg is obligatory, but could be a problem if the range is meant to be any more than about 2 laps... Last edited by V8 Fireworks; 29 Jul 2020 at 22:43. |
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I've got a feeling SUVs don't really belong to motorsport...
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Us fans are not going to like the changes filtering into motor sport, that much is obvious. Sedans are a dying breed, most probably extinct within the next decade apart from a few upmarket vehicles so I don't know what we will be watching or racing instead. At the same time electric/hybrid vehicles are being force fed into the market by manufacturers having to meet regulatory design and emission rules so what you and I want to see on a race track means nothing. It sure will be interesting to see what comes out of all this as far as motor sport goes. I have said it before, elctric vehicles are actually ideal from a cost POV because it takes away the enormous drive line costs and removes the costs of chasing incremental power improvements in IC motors.
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I guess economies of scale also play a role, especially since Howe can also tap into the grassrootish end of the US-oval-racing-market for many of their components.
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You can have any regs you want. Under superfranchise racing, the costs will go through the roof.
A shopping trolley with a 5 litre V8 wedged in it will be $300k . |
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Murray Carter raced and change cars off his own free will, for his own purposes. He wasn't forced to buy a car or at a particular price. He wasn't fined for not attending meetings. Quote:
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