[WEC] Toyota LMP1 Discussion

[gert]

Originally Posted by TF110

found a few photos of the low downforce package Toyota were testing-

The photos come from here. There are a few of other cars that were at the Paul Ricard test.

[S griffin]

Liking the look so far, let’s see if it can still produce the goods

[greenmachinets040]

Originally Posted by S griffin

Liking the look so far, let’s see if it can still produce the goods

Unleashed, the TS050 has no serious opposition at this year s LM24. Let s see, what the Gods of Le Mans want..

[joeb]

SCG posted this Toyota graphic showing the size of its prototype vs a Tundra. I feel like that in my car which is twice the size of the proto!

https://twitter.com/Glickenhaus/stat...366309889?s=19

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Buemi confirmed that he has driven Toyota’s Le Mans Hypercar in its simulator. While describing it as slower and heavier than the manufacturer’s LMP1 car, Buemi felt the car had more of an “old school” feel: “It’s very much rear-wheel-drive until more than 120 km/h so you feel that the rear of the car is moving a lot more,” he said.

https://sportscar365.com/lemans/wec/spa-friday-notebook-12/

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Wtf is this, I thought the stupid penalties wouldn't be applied for LM as promised by ACO last year? Or is this just being uninformed

http://www.dailysportscar.com/2020/08/15/mike-conway-on-spa-and-performance-restrictions-on-hopes-for-le-mans-and-beyond.html

What are the team telling you about what they expect to be doled out for Le Mans in terms of a perfomnance level?

“I haven’t heard anything. I hope that we’ll just come back to zero because it was close last year if you look at all the averages, Rebellion were second best.

“What would be terrible is if they gave different penalties between the two Toyotas, that would be a farce really, it would just be terrible.

“One horsepower around that place is a lot of time, so I hope they take it back to zero (in terms of performance adjustment) and we have what we have.”

[seanyb505]

Man I hope Toyota have an uphill battle, however manufactured. Found myself too easily distracted away from spa today. Hope le mans can be intriguing

[canaglia]

as far I knew at le mans there will be eot but success handicap should be removed for everyone. Toyota will likely be >930kg heavy but no more fuel flow or MJ penalities. Btw guess toyota mainly aims to get the same stint lenght of last year that let them have 1 more lap per stint compared to smp/rebellion, that's the real game changer.
About today race... well, ok both toyotas had >3s of handicap, but if during qualifying ran 6s slower than last year, was clearly they were hiding a lot

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Originally Posted by canaglia

as far I knew at le mans there will be eot but success handicap should be removed for everyone. Toyota will likely be >930kg heavy but no more fuel flow or MJ penalities. Btw guess toyota mainly aims to get the same stint lenght of last year that let them have 1 more lap per stint compared to smp/rebellion, that's the real game changer.
About today race... well, ok both toyotas had >3s of handicap, but if during qualifying ran 6s slower than last year, was clearly they were hiding a lot

Mild EoT is acceptable, the success thing isn't... nor is the mandated stint advantage, that's about as bad as the handicaps and in many ways even worse, because it results in direct in-race penalties if not 100% obeyed - even if done accidentally, it sure is horrible criminal act if nonhybrid manages accidentally to do the same lap count as hybrid car. Speaking of which, I had thought this rule too would be deleted for 2020... are we sure it isn't. But then again I also thought this for the 2019 race after it had been scrapped for Fuji 2018 and the rest of the non-LM races of 2018-2019, only to be silently brought back for no reason

[TF110]

I was sure that Toyota would run the same eot as last year. I hope so at least.

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Originally Posted by TF110

I was sure that Toyota would run the same eot as last year. I hope so at least.

Hopefully they do... minus the stint mandation ofc

[kurski]

Ilta-Sanomat's F1 journalist Janne Aittoniemi speculated could Kimi Räikkonen get an offer from Toyota's LMP1 team?

[S griffin]

Kimi in endurance racing would be an interesting experiment

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He did the 908 test back in the day and didn't really seem to care one way or another. And that article well, the information on that appears to be about as well thought as if me wondering if Lewis Hamilton would perhaps be willing to compete in Race of Champions in 2035.

[Mike E]

Originally Posted by Chiana

Hopefully they do... minus the stint mandation ofc

Pretty sure the mandatory stint length rule was dropped. Hideous nonsense.

[TF110]

https://www.endurance-info.com/fr/pa...-pour-octobre/, this article has information on the hypercar, slated for October, and it also has Vasselon's comments about the eot at Le Mans. He confirms theres no success handicap (applause from me) applied to the cars for the 24 hours. Thankfully we can see the real progress made by the lmp1's

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Originally Posted by TF110

it also has Vasselon's comments about the eot at Le Mans. He confirms theres no success handicap (applause from me) applied to the cars for the 24 hours. Thankfully we can see the real progress made by the lmp1's

Great news! One final hurrah is what we deserved

Originally Posted by Mike E

Pretty sure the mandatory stint length rule was dropped. Hideous nonsense.

Pretty sure is still not entirely sure though, isn't it :/ I remember back in Spa 2018 when Dragonspeed was angry about the penalties being applied if they did too lengthy stints (in the fear of their waiver-bronze driver), and then some people in the sportscar media claimed they had seriously misinterpreted the rules and such would never really happen. Of course, it did happen. Then, after the stint caps were axed for Fuji, everyone also thought they would never come back... until it did.

The last time around Toyota was able to bring it back for oneoff appearance because they had the VETO right for such, I wonder if they still do...

Maybe this year, they announce the comeback of it 30 minutes before practice, in revised bulletin?

I guess if there is one single not-entirely-negative thing about bop racing, it's that no such absurd invention of separation is possible. There are other horrible inventions in great numbers but not that. The stint limit is basically the reverse counterpart of the reference lap time absurdity in Creventic racing

[TF110]

I guess they were still in the "hybrid has an efficiency advantage so let them show it" mood. Obviously the efficiency part is true but the mandated stint length is the wrong way to go about it.

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Yes... rather than showing it off via natural way - obviously the advantages of hybridization are massive - they ended up with the most arbitrary method possible.

edit: thought better on the Audi parable

[greenmachinets040]

Originally Posted by TF110

https://www.endurance-info.com/fr/pa...-pour-octobre/, this article has information on the hypercar, slated for October, and it also has Vasselon's comments about the eot at Le Mans. He confirms theres no success handicap (applause from me) applied to the cars for the 24 hours. Thankfully we can see the real progress made by the lmp1's

Wow, such a relief! We knew it would be that way, but when someone confirms, thats even better! Toyota made a big progress this year, I can see them making 3:12 lap at LM

[Steve McQ]

That is not exactly the way I see it. Yes, success handicap is axed for LM but there still is an EoT going on that can be waived anytime (remember season 2018 where it was completely changed before even the first race).

I hope that after 6,5 year of racing with the current ruleset, so much data gathered plus the hindsight of more than year racing with success handicap, FINALLY the ACO can bring something close to a good balance between work hybrid cars and privateers "standard" ones.

That means I would be happy if Rebellion are 2 to 3" per lap off the race pace at Le Mans.

[canaglia]

Originally Posted by Chiana

Great news! One final hurrah is what we deserved



Pretty sure is still not entirely sure though, isn't it :/ I remember back in Spa 2018 when Dragonspeed was angry about the penalties being applied if they did too lengthy stints (in the fear of their waiver-bronze driver), and then some people in the sportscar media claimed they had seriously misinterpreted the rules and such would never really happen. Of course, it did happen. Then, after the stint caps were axed for Fuji, everyone also thought they would never come back... until it did.

The last time around Toyota was able to bring it back for oneoff appearance because they had the VETO right for such, I wonder if they still do...

Maybe this year, they announce the comeback of it 30 minutes before practice, in revised bulletin?

I guess if there is one single not-entirely-negative thing about bop racing, it's that no such absurd invention of separation is possible. There are other horrible inventions in great numbers but not that. The stint limit is basically the reverse counterpart of the reference lap time absurdity in Creventic racing

Agree, that 1 extra lap mandatory advantage was clearly due toyota huge influence on everything related to tech/sport regulamentations