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Its a tough one, as whilst i'm sure the Halo protected him in the initial barrier impact, I do wonder if it hindered him in the exit of the vehicle due to how the car was angled against the barrier. It looked to me as though a piece of barrier got twisted around the halo which then pinned the car sideways against the armco.
There are so many measures that they could introduce to improve safety, I mean if they really wanted they could insist that every driver has to compete with a roll cage around them, but that wouldn't be in the interests of F1, would it be safer? Absolutely, but probably not acceptable. |
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He would have exited the vehicle a lot easier without the halo certainly, albeit as two sections..
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I think its about time the "safer barrier" made a more widespread appearance across tracks in Europe and the rest of the world. I understand its in use a lot in the US. |
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But generally not on road course straightaways.
Maybe it expensively should. |
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SAFER and Tec-Pro barriers do seem to have been quite impressive, though they are not perfect. There was that weird incident in the Russian F2 race this year where the cars went under the barrier and then there was an oil fire (with no fire hoses within the same county seemingly). Everyone got out hunky dorey but it could have been somewhat different if the barrier had landed differently (I am presuming they are too heavy for a driver to shove out of the way). That said, it should be very straightforward to avoid that kind of thing in future.
It is often the case with safety that you solve loads of problems but create a new one. You can argue the halo does that because it impedes getting out of the car in certain situations, which is where Grosjean was extremely lucky on Sunday. But you could have that crash a thousand times and 99.999% of the time you probably just bounce back onto the track. |
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I think RoGro’s accident was the luckiest escape since Martin Donnelly’s accident at Jerez 30 years ago.
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FIA conclude their accident investigation.
peak force equivalent to 67g. https://www.fia.com/news/fia-conclud...grand-prix-and |
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Grosjean will do a demonstration run in Lewis Hamilton's 2020 W10 at the French Grand Prix on 27 June, and a test at the same track two days later. 'Mercedes F1 boss Wolff said: "We are very happy to support Romain with this special opportunity. The idea first came when it looked like Romain would be ending his active career in F1 and we didn't want his accident to be his last moment in an F1 car. "Romain's accident remains us of the dangers these guys face each time they climb into the cockpit, but it's also a testament to the incredible steps this sport has taken to improve safety over the year. I know the F1 community will celebrate seeing Romain back on track."' |
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Nice to see Toto honouring his promise of giving him one last run
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Another incident today that (hopefully) we can all agree was another example of the halo providing protection to a driver.
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Yep. The outcome without a halo doesn't bear thinking about. They also need to remove those sausages from turn 1 asap......
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There is no doubt that the halo helped to protect Hamilton today, but the incident also highlighted the deficiency of the Halo. Namely encroachment from above.
Would an enclosed cockpit have done better, we'll never know for sure, but there are 2 areas I'd point out. Firstly it was the halo itself that caused the floor to break on the RB as it came overhead, it was only that sufficient of the rear of the floor was on the airbox/roll hoop, that prevented large pieces of floor entering the cockpit from above. Secondly is the RB's rear wheel and how it came across the top of the halo and Hamilton's head, It would be interesting if images were released of any marks or damage to Hamilton's helmet. |
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That first image really sends a shiver ....
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Yes, he said he was very grateful and praise the development of safety.
What is great is that he can change his opinion. |
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Its not a part of the racing surface. There is a line that is the edge of the racing surface. Then a curb that is outside the racing surface but you are allowed to use by placing your inside wheels on it, The sausage curb is then there to discourage people from crossing the real curb and short cutting the corner. There are other bars there painted in stripes for the same reason. There is also a clearly defined path inside the judders bars to enable people caught out or late braking to cross the chicane area without causing damage to the car and rejoining on the other side of the chicane. But of course they can't get an advantage from it and must redress any place gained. But its not dangerous UNLESS you try to overtake by going off the circuit and then you are at fault and the author of your own misfortune. You may also be the author of someone else's misfortune. In that case you will get a penalty. |
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