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My version (July '21) of Google Earth shows the road going around a small green area planted with mature trees, with what looks like a fountain in the middle, before the road joins up with the road to the tunnel. Can't see the hole that you mention. |
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Go to the history time line, the most recent on that has the reclaimed land, it’s newer than the main image. I’m not at my computer or I’d screen shot.
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I now understand what you are saying, and I think that we were somewhat at cross purposes.
From what had been proposed, the extension to the circuit was on roads that already existed, and the the reclaimed land that they are infilling will now be adjacent to the run in to the tunnel entrance from the roundabout that is by Cipriani Monte Carlo. So, as they come down from Lowe's, they have created a chicane (in effect due to the road layout) turning right initially and instead of continuing going right, they will now immediately turn left to go the roundabout, go round it - the new hairpin - and then the run to the tunnel. I'm apologise in advance in case you were already aware of the above. |
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No apology necessary.
Given the various street levels in that part of Monte Carlo, any sort of verbal description would be difficult especially as we can't see where this new level of the reclaimed land will ultimately go. It does appear on a second look that the proposal could in fact still be possible dependant on what is ultimately done in the area where the fountain was. |
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Thanks for clearing that up! Yes it looks a bit inconclusive now if it would still be possible.
Furthermore one wonders if they would want the cars faster and closer to one another going into and through the tunnel. Would be kind of dreadful if one of them would get airborne. I wonder what it would feel like if they enter it into the simulator. Still safer than Jeddah I reckon... |
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Load of videos about the alterations of Albert Park here: https://www.youtube.com/results?sear...of+Albert+Park
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I can’t wait to see the F1 cars round Albert Park. The circuit wasn’t bad to begin with, but this one should add something extra to it
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They have added more gravel at Spa which is a good thing in one sense, but the first 4 metres or so of the run off is still tarmac, so its done little to help with track limits, after all, how many drivers go more than 1-2 metres wider than the track limit line? I would say none.
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Re Albert Park changes the resurfacing and reprofiling of corners is now complete.
Some videos of the changes and summaries from the Grand Prix office. Quote:
Now available.... Episode 2.... "What has changed at Albert Park" https://youtu.be/jhbMVuG_RFI And here is an advance link to the soon to be available Episode 3 : "Albert Park's New High Speed Straight". This will be be released in 5 days time on this link. (Click on it and now you will be able to set a reminder on its release) https://youtu.be/HKLRaEEiqhI I like what I see.... not sure I like the idea of even more DRS zones, but hopefully it will be worthwhile changes that will benefit the racing. Last edited by E.B; 1 Feb 2022 at 03:24. |
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When it comes to circuit design (and vicariously circuit alterations) it often baffles me how designers can come up with solutions which are either terrible to drive and produce bad racing (or both together). In recent times we have seen new circuits added to the calendar and often they will have this dreaded combo of a hairpin, long straight, hairpin. I don’t know who decided this was good for racing, because quite simply, it isn’t. Out of a hairpin, you are totally traction limited and the person behind will always be on the throttle after the car in front, so unless you have a 2km straight, better traction and / or also a straight-line advantage, you won’t be getting past. I think this is perfectly exemplified at the Abu Dhabi race track. I know it has had alterations recently which has made its awfulness a bit less, but that hairpin into the tight chicane is a perfect example of this.
What you really need in order to generate overtaking is (in my opinion), one of two things, either a medium speed corner onto a long straight, or a slightly banked higher speed chicane, or perhaps just a banked medium speed corner. I know high speed corners have their own problem because of the aero wake generated, but with any luck that should be a bit less in 2022. I just don’t know how and why with all the millions spent on the sport, these things keep happening. Why past drivers or people who race aren’t consulted over these things I do not know, because I don’t think for a second that these Tilkedromes have driver design input. |
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The thing is Albert Park has been limited being in a public park that is used by everyday traffic. But I don’t see how it’s one of the worst tracks. It certainly can be an unforgiving circuit if you get it wrong, so it certainly earns respect
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I cant wait to see F1 run around the Los Angeles 'Coliseum' that NASCAR used on the weekend....
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- because they work for the 99.99% of motorsport that is not F1 - safety - technical challenge - demands of TV - good spectator viewing - logistics of access - non-racing activity (track days etc) I don’t know. But there must be a logic to it because tracks are not being designed and built at random. |
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With the initial sales pitch, you would see artist renderings of the solution. It would commonly show plush landscape elements. Shrubbery, flowers, large mature trees, etc. But when they start trimming the budget the first thing that goes is the landscaping because things like the building, parking, etc. are higher priority. If there is local rules then they meet the minimum and nothing more. So in the end, the landscaping would be mostly just grass and maybe a few small (cheap) trees. My point is that in the end, these tracks are commonly part of large projects that have a lot of requirements, sometimes conflicting requirements and an implied or explicit pecking order of what is important. They may have to fit a lot into a small footprint. And if this includes construction of buildings beyond what is required to support the track (such as a hotel, etc.) then sadly, I can imagine that the actual track layout becomes second priority at times. Even if the track was to be the core element. Lastly, I fully expect all (or a majority) who work at Tilke's firm are likely enthusiasts and want to deliver a quality product. I do suspect they are facing conflicting requirements at times. If asked to just "design a track" they probably would do a decently good job. Richard |
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