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View Poll Results: Should F1 cars still be allowed to use DRS in 2023? | |||
Yes, exactly as it is now | 2 | 7.41% | |
No, it should be scrapped | 14 | 51.85% | |
Yes, but with some kind of change (please explain in the replies) | 11 | 40.74% | |
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26 May 2022, 02:19 (Ref:4111345) | #101 | ||
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You must be one of those that believe that faster laps mean better racing, I am sorry to disappoint you but it is exactly the opposite in practise. It is so obvious I can't work out why there is nothing spoken about it to tell the truth. |
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26 May 2022, 13:28 (Ref:4111380) | #102 | |
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Good point there. To be fair I don't see why laptimes need to be so low. I often refer to MotoGP. Their laptimes pale into significance compared to F1, but no one notices. They look fast enough without needing to be ridiculously fast and the spectacle is a lot better as a result
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27 May 2022, 02:41 (Ref:4111454) | #103 | ||
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I would prefer a return to the old KERs or a push to pass. Whereby drivers have a Limited amount of extra power they can use at their discretion, but once you have used up your share, its gone for the day.
Means that the car behind doesnt automatically have an advantage but is an extra tactic and interest for the race. |
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27 May 2022, 23:08 (Ref:4111552) | #105 | ||
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From what I can tell the new generation F1 cars are at about the same level as F2 cars for ease of overtaking, despite the F2 cars being 10 seconds per lap slower. I don't watch F3 closely enough to know if they race much better than the other two classes. |
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28 May 2022, 04:16 (Ref:4111573) | #106 | ||
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28 May 2022, 20:39 (Ref:4111669) | #107 | ||
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It would be possible in F1 to ban aerofoils entirely like in Formula Ford. That would drop peak lateral g from 5G to about 1.5G. The laptimes would increase by about 25-35 seconds per lap. It's certainly an option, but do you think spectators, drivers and competitors would really have an appetite for that? In the era of 1.5L Grand Prix cars, the drivers were some of the first people to complain about the cars being too slow IIRC, hence the decision to adopt a 3.0L formula (even larger than the 2.5L which the 1.5 regulation replaced) after just five seasons of 1.5L. The drivers were again complaining in 2014 that the cars were too slow and not stimulating to drive, hence the desire to increase downforce in 2017. |
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29 May 2022, 07:00 (Ref:4111682) | #108 | ||
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Because we won't slow down to allow better RACING let's see some radical moves that make the driver do the driving on his own and work out his own tactics. The drivers haven't had to do it for decades and I think it would make for an interesting way to get some variation in the results. None of this would happen of course because it is all dreamland stuff but it sure would be good. |
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29 May 2022, 11:33 (Ref:4111710) | #109 | ||
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Yep, I'd support it.... But you're right, It will never happen.
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30 May 2022, 02:36 (Ref:4111957) | #110 | |
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Getting back to the basics I described could be looked at as removing artificial aids but some might disagree.
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The drivers championship is what the fans care more about, but they are now less able to do their own strategy and have the team do it for them
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1 Jun 2022, 03:21 (Ref:4112334) | #114 | ||
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I dont know if things like kers push to pass etc are artificial.
I mean pitting for softs knowing they have limited range is like push to pass - it gives a speed advantage for a short time, so has to be played as a tactic. And back in the refuelling days weight vs need for another stop was a tactics thing that was played even winding the engine up and getting more power but hoping it doesnt blow up is a tactic. There is always a way of going faster - briefly - that has to be planned if and when it is used. Push to pass or kers is just another. (or a Bottle of nitrous... hehehe) |
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That's the point though isn't it - planning the use - DRS (apart from a few laps at the start - normally) is available for everyone throughout the race, that's extreme artificiality.
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We don't disagree often, but we clearly do on this. DRS is basically 'push to sail past' whenever you like in any of the DRS zones. Some of those zones are absurd in the manner in which they allow passes to be performed. I should stress that I'm not comparing it with what 'device' is employed in any other series or category of racing. Any such device is artificial, to a greater or lesser extent in that making it available reduces the skill a driver needs to make a pass. But making it available for virtually an entire race, in several places on a circuit - it's just overkill.
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I've said it many times, but motor racing is *all* artificial. The only "pure" form of racing would be naked humans without shoes running against each other, and even then there are ways to artificially enhance performance!
I've also said this before: if we must have DRS, instead of the silly detection and deployment zones, just give each driver in the field a time allowance. Use it anywhere, to attack or defend, but once it's gone - it's gone. Or they could do away with it altogether and adopt Indy-style power boost push-to-pass; that will of course never happen because Not Invented Here syndrome is very strong in F1. |
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I know people could rip me on this comparison. And now, I am not saying that throttle, brakes and DRS are "equal", but the conditions in which they can be used are equally applied to each driver. I also understand everyone is not going to agree on these points. Quote:
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imo DRS successfully addresses the systemic design flaws now very much built into the DNA of F1 and to this point, i suspect if one goes through the rate the race threads, those races that have the highest scores (typically races where you get close racing at the end or stellar drives through the field) were ones massively aided by the use of DRS.
and its been around for a bit over a decade now and has improved tremendously in that time so i suppose i have accepted it as part of F1. until it ruins more races then it saves im not sure im inclined to changed my acceptance of it. i think it makes the races far more dynamic particularly over the past 2-3 seasons. so at this point, i might even say im more a fan of it then i would say its just something i tolerate. |
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I agree though, DRS is not uniquely artificial. The rule set, the cars and the circuits all impose artificiality, but DRS is (for me) the worst example, which I have found increasingly offensive, particularly recently. I'm not a 'purist' but I think we all know something isn't quite right when the driver's skill married with the capabilities of his car has to be enhanced in this way. I guess we just have to accept that 'not quite right' is how it has to be, it's just how the 'not quite right' is currently managed that isn't...... quite right. Maybe I've been watching too much from Goodwood..... Last edited by Aysedasi; 1 Jun 2022 at 15:30. |
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I think you are underestimating the difficulty of getting to and staying under 1 sec behind a car you are following….and still then a pass is not a guarantee.
Much more to affecting a pass then just the pass itself. |
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I don't think so. It generally looks pretty easy from what I've been watching in the last few years. And most times, when within the 1 second, the pass is pretty close to a guarantee, IMO.
I just think DRS is a totally garbage dumbed-down way of giving drivers more opportunity to pass. But that doesn't mean that I have an ideal solution! |
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If it was easy to follow they wouldn’t have needed to change the rules/design this season no?
while we may be watching the same thing it’s clear we are seeing it very differently. All good of course! |
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