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2 Feb 2023, 23:11 (Ref:4142567) | #1 | |
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Are the blue oval actually about to be announced as deal done?
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2 Feb 2023, 23:42 (Ref:4142568) | #2 | |
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Oh, you and your inside info!
I cannot, personally, see Ford jumping into F1 again after their last attempt. But I will freely admit surprise if it happens, even if it's a badge engineering job. |
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3 Feb 2023, 00:32 (Ref:4142569) | #3 | ||
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I heard it was amicable
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Ford returning to the team RB buys off them in 2004 has a similar feel to Danny Ricc leaving the team to not be no.2 driver only to rejoin and be no.3 driver
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4 Feb 2023, 09:16 (Ref:4142601) | #6 | |
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Well they've announced it. Have to say it's nice to have Ford return, but can they do the job with Red Bull? They need to do a lot better than they did with the team's previous guise. They couldn't have looked less interested if they tried
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4 Feb 2023, 09:22 (Ref:4142610) | #7 | ||
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''Starting in 2023, Ford and Red Bull Powertrains – the Milton Keynes team’s dedicated engine division – will develop a next-gen power unit to supply both Red Bull Racing and the sister AlphaTauri operation from 2026 until at least 2030.''
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/a...C79l1YQ9b.html So a few years to get good before its all proven in battle. Its a long run up. |
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4 Feb 2023, 09:52 (Ref:4142620) | #8 | |
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I wonder if that will limit the amount of effort from Honda in the interim and where their mooted interest in the new formula might take them.Interesting times ahead.
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4 Feb 2023, 10:54 (Ref:4142630) | #9 | |
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All they have to do is send greenbacks.
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Sounds like a proper technical partnership so willing to give it the benefit of the doubt…but am curious how all of this will play outside the budget cap?
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4 Feb 2023, 17:37 (Ref:4142669) | #11 | ||
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So Ford reinvesting in a Team they off loaded for £1. There seems to be a massive irony there. I hope they don’t bring their top heavy slow knowall management style that nearly undid the Shelby GT40 project and certainly did undo the Jaguar F1 project.
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Agree - but they have a number examples of manufacturers that have avoided bringing the road vehicle management style to racing (Daimler, Honda, Renault, VW as just some examples) and of course Ford have done OK in rallying, NASCAR, Supercars, GT so hopefully by now have worked out how to manage the differences between road and race vehicle management.
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5 Feb 2023, 07:38 (Ref:4142774) | #15 | |
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Maybe it's just as well Ford are only providing the money. It means someone in the know will be doing the F1 engines and less chance of things going wrong
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That time it produced engines identified as FVA/FVC and BDA, along with the DFV and the derivatives DFW, DFX, DFY, DFL and DFR. Successful result for a relatively small amount. Much less than what the RBPT deal will cost them..... |
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and if its just a branding exercise i suppose there is not much concern at all. there will of course be additional challenges of monitoring entities currently outside of F1 and while i do not doubt the ability to actually conduct audits successfuly there will still a learning curve as the system evolves. side concern...after the acrimony of last years budget process, i wonder how vocal teams (specifically works teams) can be accusing a rival car manu of cheating? different can of worms then accusing a team that doesnt publicly trade shares of cheating as opposed to accusing a rival whose share price can and does affect real peoples' saving and retirement portfolios. perhaps an extreme concern but (tin foil hat time) does lead me to want to know more about the timing of the announcement particularly because of an early launch date for RB and on the back of Ford announcing disappointing 2022 4q earning report and their subsequent drop in stock price over the past few days? so if there is a connection here well thats the kind of insider info im looking for peebee2! anyways, while i am excited that FOM is serious about controlling costs, i hope that this isnt too much too soon...time will tell. |
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maybe i should be looking for other sources/have gotten complacent with the few F1 sites i frequent but doesnt seem like anyone is asking any follow up questions to the exact specifics of Ford's involvement...all seem content to just repeat the soundbites from the launch event. meanwhile we do as we fans have always done...fill the void with speculation! |
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Having read the part about the abysmal trading performance,I went in search of enlightenment.Where I found this wonderfully trenchant piece http://www.autoextremist.com/ .Not many people would have been bold enough to publish it and those who had the cojones might not get included in upcoming corporate junkets. I need somebody to point out to me any connection that exists between selling pickups and global motor racing.I can more or less see the latter as a way to promote fizzy drinks,which might best be used to provide the energy to keep one's bicycle moving. |
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Does the “I'm a genius, just ask me” in that article refer to the Ford CEO or the author?
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Well it seems I stirred up strong reactions with one link! If those of us with English with a first language can't deduce the meaning of a fairly simple piece of journalism,I would be worried.I suspect it is just a reaction to criticism of an American institution by a writer who appears not to have taken all those years of pledging allegiance to the flag as an exhortation to avoid criticising anything American. Others have chimed in with their views from both within and without the blue oval empire http://www.autoextremist.com/emails-of-the-week1/ .
Which does make it appear that the Red Bull deal may not be the best application of funds that all parties have ever encountered.If it leads to greater sales of vehicles that fulfill people's transportation needs,it will have justified itself.If the quality allegations are found to be true by a host of newly converted Ford purchasers it will simply increase the size of the army of critics.Effectively they have a three year window in which to get their products up to the mark.I don't think Red Bull will have any problem selling cans of drink either way. |
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so the lineage of the engines
Honda engines briefly were redbull PU then Honda PU again then ford will pay to have them badged Ford Motorsport However one of the greatest motor sport investment Ford ever made was the wonderful Cosworth V8 that dominated the 70s until turbos took over. |
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