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You have basically been posting this same crap for 2 years. It's not a reality, and it's not going to be a reality. Maybe go watch SuperGT. |
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How people become fans today has changed from the early days of the sport, back when most Australians drove either one of the two brands. How many Ferrari fans drive a Ferrari or have owned a Ferrari, can go, and buy a Ferrari F1 car from their dealer? Or are Italian. How many Man U supporters live in Manchester. All that matters is the cars are fast, look and sound cool with a GM badge. People today want a show, and they got one on Saturday afternoon. Last edited by Ares; 30 Apr 2023 at 22:57. Reason: spelling |
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Me too! AUDI stands for 'Ardly Use Da Indicators. It's to a point where Audi could actually remove the indicator stalk and almost no one would ask where it was. If you see an Audi using indicators, it is usually a rental.
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1 May 2023, 08:12 (Ref:4153966) | #1556 | ||
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After 3 parity adjustment Cam Waters still blaming parity:
https://www.v8sleuth.com.au/waters-s...QaHeFSRnRchp-Q It's getting silly now. |
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Yes it was, until a poor set of rules were drafted for 1993. That's not a good explanation as to why there shouldn't be Nissan and BMWs out there, amongst the Mustangs.
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A logical statement from Mr. Waters. With this idea of homologating the Chevrolet Camaro on the worry that Holden enthusiasts will stop watching, will the ATCC just lose the interest of all Ford enthusiasts instead? Very smart (not). Exactly right it's silly. Why is the Camaro even there? Chevrolet are not sponsoring the series. So in that case just run the Z and M4 or M2 and have some nice variety with turbo sixes against the Mustang's V8: a battle of sports coupe touring cars! Forget technical parity and use BOP to have exciting touring car racing between short wheelbase and long wheelbase vehicles *available on the Australian market* with different strengths, featuring traditional ATCC brands like Nissan, BMW and Ford. Last edited by V8 Fireworks; 1 May 2023 at 08:42. |
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Should individual teams be allowed to run their own aero body kit?
Within a set of parameters (No more than, must fit inside an area) but beyond that the shape you want with cut outs and ducts you want. Get rid of parity arguments completely and the cars would look different to each other. For sure one or two teams would get it more right than others,, but only on certain tracks. Look at f1. Williams are lighting in a straight line. Ferrari great under brakes, Redbull amazing with DRS open. So on tight tracks one team might have great downforve, but on high speed open tracks another team might have lesss drag etc etc. "Cost cost cost!" you cry.. Budget caps like F1. |
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You just seem to want to change everything about the series. Different cars, different engines, different brands and different driver... Like joining a basketball forum and posting, it would be better if they kicked the ball with their feet, better if it was played on grass with goal posts at each end. oh wait a minute? go join the football forum then. |
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I think the view of viewing the Bathurst 1000, and maybe only the last hour at that, and not bothering with the rest of the now minor interest championship is pretty common. If the organisers want to start their own Americana muscle car series, a la Trans Am, that's great but why distort the Australian Touring Car Championship into that?! Would it not make more sense for the ATCC itself however to adopt a varied touring car format to *get all those lost fans back*!? The Falcon and Commodore idea had some merit at the time, but with those vehicles out of production, surely it is the perfect opportunity to reevaluate? Last edited by V8 Fireworks; 1 May 2023 at 09:12. |
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Motorsport is dying world wide. I understand your point, but you can only reinvent the wheel so many times. Its never going to ever be like the old days. Different time, different people.
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Now we all drive suv, twincabs or maybe ev we dont care which is fastest.Winning Bathurst is no longer how we rate cars. And the cars on the track dont reflect what people have in their driveways |
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Maybe you could elaborate on your comments at the bottom of your post 77? When you have a spare moment, Just interested. |
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Both Tickford and Waters have been very inconsistent over the years, including WAU for that matter. We just need to be mindful that we are only hearing complaints from one side of the paddock at present. That doesn't mean its all roses on the other side. We have not been told what SVG doesn't like about the car, but he says he can't drive it. We don't know what the Chev drivers are having to drive around? It is a data game now.
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No I don't think it's that, Shane had said a number of times the aero needed to come off the cars. And if anyone could drive around that, Shane would be at the top of that list. I know there are a few thing that are not as nice in this new are as they were in the Gen2. I don't think Shane is alone there. Maybe he hasn't got enough to play with on a lap? No bars to adjust.
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I think it's fascinating. Shane has driven a variety of different cars in quite a few series, so he would know a bit about it. Obviously he's been at the top of his game in Supercars. But we need more time with this formula, although obviously Shane makes some good points. But is he starting to lose a bit or just his style isn't suiting the current cars?
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Cam Waters and Tickford cannot make this claim.
They literally throw away good results with stupid driving, intra-team crashes and mystifying pit stop calls. The facts however are: Ford initially blamed their issues on Aero - aero was addressed Ford complained about shift cut - shift cut was addressed Now they have a drivability issue - which has to be squarely blamed on their engine builder. Ford is increasingly looking like the Brand who cried Wolf. The points table doesn't tell a story about parity because the lack of results is easily explained by a lack of driver performance and consistency, and team incompetence. Exactly as it was last year. |
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All very well, but that's not going to stop Ford enthusiasts switching off with the feeling "why is the Chevrolet Camaro even out there at all to provide an obstacle, there is no reason for it to be out there?"
There's other motorsport to watch and the ATCC will lose out. A Mustang Cup would work to avoid parity issues, or a move to BOP with Mustang v Z v M440i would work to attract a broad base of especially younger fans like GT car racing like does. The ATCC has to tread very carefully indeed to not lose the support of Ford Performance, noting that Ford Performance is the only manufacturer supporting the series and the ATCC could very easily end up with zero manufacturers. People tuning in, being baffled as to "why is the Chevrolet Camaro so prominent in the Australian Touring Car Championship?", finding the racing tedious too, and then tuning out is not going to be exclusive to Ford enthusiasts either for that matter. Last edited by V8 Fireworks; 4 May 2023 at 04:20. |
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Because GM were willing to stump up the cash and invest in developing the car, committing to the category. This idea that a car from another manufacturer should be racing is living in dreamland. No other manufacturer wanted to invest, GM did.
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Are you sure they invested or did the ATCC/888 invest on their behalf (with the latter expecting returns from selling composite body panels)?
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