[WEC] Porsche Prototype Discussion

[Mike E]

Thanks. At least we have a range of different sights and sounds with this formula

[GT3_Fan]

Is both the #12 and #38 JOTA Porsches going to be in the gold Hertz livery? If anybody knows.

[tomcug]

Originally Posted by GT3_Fan

Is both the #12 and #38 JOTA Porsches going to be in the gold Hertz livery?

Now we know 100% they both are
https://sportscar365.com/lemans/wec/...-post-le-mans/
New crankshaft after Le Mans.

[Mike E]

Another nice thing to look forward to. This is going to sound so much better. Pity it won't be ready for Le Mans but it's also nice to spread the new things out to keep it interesting.

[tomcug]

The car in its current form looks very reliable and fast so no wonder they're not rushing things with remaining updates. Still can't wait to hear the updated sound

[S griffin]

If Porsche is quick now, just imagine how much quicker they’ll go with the updates

[Adam43]

Porsche and particularly Penske have found something this year.

Originally Posted by Sam Hignett, JOTA

They’ve [Penske]just got something on tire warm-up that nobody else has got. It’s ridiculous. It’s worth tens of seconds [over the race], so we’ve got some work to do on that.

https://sportscar365.com/lemans/wec/...race-notebook/

[tomcug]

More lobby to bring back warmers to Le Mans expected

[broadrun96]

Originally Posted by Adam43

Porsche and particularly Penske have found something this year.


https://sportscar365.com/lemans/wec/...race-notebook/

Pressure sensor issues/programming??

[veeten]

After all, he co-wrote the book "The Unfair Advantage" with Mark Donahue., on how to get the most out of any car or driver.

[J Jay]

Originally Posted by broadrun96

Pressure sensor issues/programming??

I was thinking of something akin to the Red Bull RB9's psuedo-traction control, which used TPMS data to modulate power output from the electric motor.

[joeb]

And now Porsche might not have their upgraded engine after all.

https://www.motorsport.com/wec/news/...gine/10611121/

The current one is working just fine!

[joeb]

This made me laugh since it was a topic on the forum in the past. In a DSC article Jensen said this about their Jota car vs the Penske cars:

“Ours look a lot better (he laughs)."

[tomcug]

https://sportscar365.com/lemans/wec/...63-crankshaft/
Further confirmation that a new crankshaft is rather unlikely. But there may be more updates to the car, this time focused on performance (all updates for 2024 were for reliability officialy).

[Mike E]

I wondered if they might scrap the new crankshaft plan after a strong start to the year. I hope not. The current engine sounds so bland.

https://www.dailysportscar.com/2024/...ft-change.html

[Articus]

Originally Posted by Mike E

I wondered if they might scrap the new crankshaft plan after a strong start to the year. I hope not. The current engine sounds so bland.

https://www.dailysportscar.com/2024/...ft-change.html

I like it. It sounds like a "hell hammer"

[J Jay]

Well, the speed is still in there - in the #6 at least.

[Adam43]

In response to this:

Originally Posted by Simmi

From a driving time perspective, I wonder if Porsche passing over Lotterer like that will have ramifications when it comes to next season...

How did the drivers compare at Le Mans?

Well it is hard to read too much into a race with changeable conditions, but here's the data.

Average Lap time

Rank	Car	Fastest	Top 10	Top 20	Top 40	Laps
1	Laurens VANTHOOR (P) Porsche 6	3:29.566	3:30.309	3:30.793	3:31.824	156
2	Kévin ESTRE (P) Porsche 6	3:29.463	3:30.728	3:31.190	3:31.811	95
3	Michael CHRISTENSEN (P) Porsche 5	3:30.701	3:31.323	3:31.751	3:32.512	104
4	Nick TANDY (P) Porsche 4	3:30.994	3:31.705	3:32.128	3:33.058	71
5	Matt CAMPBELL (P) Porsche 5	3:30.689	3:31.733	3:32.169	3:34.499	104
6	Frédéric MAKOWIECKI (P) Porsche 5	3:31.467	3:31.779	3:32.359	3:34.294	103
7	André LOTTERER (P) Porsche 6	3:31.402	3:31.887	3:32.366	3:34.336	60
8	Felipe NASR (P) Porsche 4	3:31.145	3:32.639	3:33.808	3:42.696	80
9	Mathieu JAMINET (P) Porsche 4	3:31.632	3:32.589	3:34.551	4:12.282	60

Posted to see if we can see any Lotterer stuff. Less laps, less speed. Hmm. He's a favourite of mine. For whatever reason he wasn't a player that weekend.

Charts show the spread. Two scales are provided to give a little flavour of the dry periods and wet periods. Even the bigger scale chart is truncated before the SC periods.

[tomcug]

Originally Posted by Adam43

Posted to see if we can see any Lotterer stuff. Less laps, less speed. Hmm. He's a favourite of mine. For whatever reason he wasn't a player that weekend.

True but in the end it didn't really matter with this amount of safety cars Also Andre wasn't surely as quick as Estre and especially Vanthoor but in the early hours he suffered extra from "AF Corse strategist" (someone in the race thread joked about Penske hiring AF Corse personnel) that made him do 2 unnecesary stops for tyres

[Adam43]

Originally Posted by tomcug

True but in the end it didn't really matter with this amount of safety cars

I don’t understand this, even with a winkie. Whether rain, SC, or dogs on track that is why I show top 10, top 20, …

Even just top 10 (of fastest) he’s not within 1.5s. Did he get any completely dry running?

Also Andre wasn't surely as quick as Estre and especially Vanthoor but in the early hours he suffered extra from "AF Corse strategist" (someone in the race thread joked about Penske hiring AF Corse personnel) that made him do 2 unnecesary stops for tyres

Which should help his lap times making sure in the end he was on the right tyres but not the overall stint performance.

I don’t think we are any closer to understanding why

Obviously it could be not so much dry runnin for this data, but they clearly kept his laps down.

[tomcug]

Originally Posted by Adam43

I don’t understand this, even with a winkie.

I mean car's overall position. Andre's weaker pace-wise stints were "erased" by safety cars.

[flatlandsman]

I dont really care, these endless posts about data I just skip past no interest whatsoever in them

[Adam43]

Thanks for letting us know

[E.B]

Originally Posted by flatlandsman

I dont really care, these endless posts about data I just skip past no interest whatsoever in them

Aha....im getting a picture here .... your interest seems to be one of complaining about things .

I love a good chart or graph.

Each to their own. The joys of a forum.

[Adam43]

I am worried that we don't have enough data and we haven't covered the other Porsches.

Average Lap time

Rank	Car	Fastest	Top 10	Top 20	Top 40	Laps
1	Philip HANSON (G) Porsche 38	3:29.899	3:30.650	3:31.024	3:31.661	120
2	Julien ANDLAUER (G) Porsche 99	3:30.750	3:31.085	3:31.406	3:32.081	83
3	Callum ILOTT (P) Porsche 12	3:30.234	3:31.250	3:31.664	3:32.445	100
4	Oliver RASMUSSEN (G) Porsche 38	3:30.403	3:31.285	3:31.749	3:32.590	97
5	Will STEVENS (P) Porsche 12	3:30.310	3:31.364	3:31.869	3:32.429	113
6	Neel JANI (P) Porsche 99	3:30.467	3:31.778	3:33.389	3:40.410	106
7	Harry TINCKNELL (P) Porsche 99	3:30.311	3:31.970	3:33.591	3:55.970	62
8	Norman NATO (G) Porsche 12	3:31.002	3:32.222	3:38.923	3:48.363	98
9	Jenson BUTTON (P) Porsche 38	3:31.652	3:32.901	3:42.632	3:51.285	94